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Burning Dreams

Re: My review at Amazon.com....

Rat Boy said:
(a sidenote; was I the only one picturing the Columbia NX-02 as the ship that the expedition was using?)

It wouldn't make sense that a small expedition mounted by a civilian research institute would be using a Starfleet ship of the line, let alone an 80-year-old one. Besides, it was explicitly the SS Columbia, not USS.
 
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Christopher said:
It wouldn't make sense that a small expedition mounted by a civilian research institute would be using a Starfleet ship of the line, let alone an 80-year-old one. Besides, it was explicitly the SS Columbia, not USS.


Wasn't there a line in Burning Dreams that said Starfleet officers were aboard? Besides, the NX-02 wasn't technically a U.S.S. Columbia, either.
 
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^ Yes, and it also wasn't a SS either.
 
Re: My review at Amazon.com....

Rat Boy said:
The story did two things that I thought especially worked out the best. The reader knew going in that Pike's backstory and life would be expanded upon, but he/she/s/he probably wasn't expecting Vina's to be fleshed out so well (a sidenote; was I the only one picturing the Columbia NX-02 as the ship that the expedition was using?) and picked up on and ran away with what I thought was the more surprising twist from "The Menagerie;" that the Talosians were trying to help Pike even after what they did to him in "The Cage." I'd be interested in finding out what happened to them after the scenes set in 2320 now (or then) that Spock had seen what a turn-around they made thanks to Pike's efforts and influence.

Don't feel bad, when the character of Charlie showed up, at first I thought it would end up being Trip. I mean here was this guy that mysteriouly shows up, possibly a drifter, who is also an engineer and name is Charlie. Of course I realized pretty quickly that it wasn't but you never know what to expect in the Trek novels these days. And that's a good thing.
 
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Rat Boy said:
picked up on and ran away with what I thought was the more surprising twist from "The Menagerie;" that the Talosians were trying to help Pike even after what they did to him in "The Cage."
I first want to again express my enjoyment of this book, but I have to admit that I wasn't initially thrilled with how the scenes in which we see the Talosians in The Cage were pretty well rewritten as making them more friendly than they were initially presented. An example would be of how the scene when Vina is pulled away screaming "Don't punish me!" is re-imagined as her screaming that simply to make Pike feel sympathy when in fact the Talosians were not hurting her at all. I was left a little curious as to why the need was felt to change things like this. Was it for the purpose of making them seem less evil so that leaving Vina behind with them at the end of The Cage doesn't seem like such a harsh thing to do?
 
A thought that occured to me today: Is it possible that in the many years they lived on Talos IV, Pike & Vina learned some of the Talosians' illusion-casting skills for themselves? The Talosians themselves expressed a fear of this happening in "The Cage", and Mike W. Barr built the plot of his second Star Trek Annual around the premise of the Klingons learning the trick of illusion-casting.
 
Re: My review at Amazon.com....

Elemental said:
I first want to again express my enjoyment of this book, but I have to admit that I wasn't initially thrilled with how the scenes in which we see the Talosians in The Cage were pretty well rewritten as making them more friendly than they were initially presented. An example would be of how the scene when Vina is pulled away screaming "Don't punish me!" is re-imagined as her screaming that simply to make Pike feel sympathy when in fact the Talosians were not hurting her at all. I was left a little curious as to why the need was felt to change things like this. Was it for the purpose of making them seem less evil so that leaving Vina behind with them at the end of The Cage doesn't seem like such a harsh thing to do?

I think it's a necessary retcon in light of "The Menagerie," to explain why the Talosians who seemed so menacing in "The Cage" were suddenly Pike's benevolent rescuers in the later 2-parter. "Menagerie" presented its ending as a happy one, and that in itself implied that the Talosians weren't all that bad. I figure Margaret was just following that lead and reconciling the two stories.
 
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Christopher said:
Elemental said:
I first want to again express my enjoyment of this book, but I have to admit that I wasn't initially thrilled with how the scenes in which we see the Talosians in The Cage were pretty well rewritten as making them more friendly than they were initially presented. An example would be of how the scene when Vina is pulled away screaming "Don't punish me!" is re-imagined as her screaming that simply to make Pike feel sympathy when in fact the Talosians were not hurting her at all. I was left a little curious as to why the need was felt to change things like this. Was it for the purpose of making them seem less evil so that leaving Vina behind with them at the end of The Cage doesn't seem like such a harsh thing to do?

I think it's a necessary retcon in light of "The Menagerie," to explain why the Talosians who seemed so menacing in "The Cage" were suddenly Pike's benevolent rescuers in the later 2-parter. "Menagerie" presented its ending as a happy one, and that in itself implied that the Talosians weren't all that bad. I figure Margaret was just following that lead and reconciling the two stories.

Exactly. :thumbsup:
 
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garamet said:
Christopher said:
Elemental said:
I first want to again express my enjoyment of this book, but I have to admit that I wasn't initially thrilled with how the scenes in which we see the Talosians in The Cage were pretty well rewritten as making them more friendly than they were initially presented. An example would be of how the scene when Vina is pulled away screaming "Don't punish me!" is re-imagined as her screaming that simply to make Pike feel sympathy when in fact the Talosians were not hurting her at all. I was left a little curious as to why the need was felt to change things like this. Was it for the purpose of making them seem less evil so that leaving Vina behind with them at the end of The Cage doesn't seem like such a harsh thing to do?

I think it's a necessary retcon in light of "The Menagerie," to explain why the Talosians who seemed so menacing in "The Cage" were suddenly Pike's benevolent rescuers in the later 2-parter. "Menagerie" presented its ending as a happy one, and that in itself implied that the Talosians weren't all that bad. I figure Margaret was just following that lead and reconciling the two stories.

Exactly. :thumbsup:
Thanks for the explanations. This was about what I was suspecting. I guess I always just assumed that the Talosians learned the error of their ways after what they did to Pike wanted to correct it. It's always an interesting technique though when something you thought was true from the episodes is re-imagined in the novels into something with a bit more depth.
 
Re: My review at Amazon.com....

Rat Boy said:
(a sidenote; was I the only one picturing the Columbia NX-02 as the ship that the expedition was using?)

The thought did cross my mind. I figured the institute (or the ships owners) bought the old ship, refurbished it and kept the name.
 
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in Peter David's "The Rift" Jose Tyler comes aboard the Ent-A as a commodore

So is it Jose or Joe in Burning Dreams?

In fact, what is the overall tally in the novelverse? "Jose" supposedly was a leftover from the early story concept of the character as a stereotypical (or possibly anti-stereotypical) Latino lover, and never made it on screen. But of course it could be that poor Joseph Frank Bob Tyler VII from Topeka, Kansas, was dubbed "Jose" by his colleagues after one romantic misadventure too many (or too few)...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Re: My review at Amazon.com....

Veering slightly off the current topic, I haven't read the book yet, but after reading all the great things that have been said about it. I may have to pick it up.

But I do have a question if any of you can answer it. Someone on the Non-Canon wiki added an article about the helm officer aboard the USS Aldrin called Wesley. I just wondered it this young officer is meant to be Commodore Bob Wesley.

Thanks in advance, Bok2384. :)
 
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bok2384 said:
Someone on the Non-Canon wiki added an article about the helm officer aboard the USS Aldrin called Wesley. I just wondered it this young officer is meant to be Commodore Bob Wesley.

I believe it was confirmed upthread that it was meant to be Bob Wesley.
 
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D'oh! Thanks Christopher, didn't see it tucked away in the spoiler. :)
 
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