There is such a thing as being too talented for the role. Timothy Dalton, also Shakespearean trained, is generally regarded as one of the lesser Bonds.
Bujold Vs. Mulgrew
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I would really enjoy Fair Haven - it seems like a very relaxing environment. And since gay issues aren't addressed on VOY, Fair Haven is a paradise for a person like myself because it seems I could programme the ideal guy in accordance with my taste ...I get the point about playing on the holodeck to relieve stress but man,Fair Haven and Captain Proton?
All I will say is if that relieves stress for the Voyager crew then they are easily amused.
I wouldn't be very easily amused by the Captain Proton simulation but I understand why Tom and Harry are.
My favourite holodeck programme is undoubtedly Leonardo da Vinci. That one would be interesting, especially if I could use it together with Janeway.
For relaxation purposes I would use the Paxau resort all the time. It's a pity we don't see it after Season 3.
For genuine excitement, I think Tuvok and Tom's insurrection programme is the best. That would be fun, playing on both sides. Even Janeway couldn't wait to see how Janeway would outwit the conspirators ...
As for Genevieve Bujold, I just can't see her falling in love with Michael Sullivan. But who knows? As Tom put it on SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME, "stranger things have happened. Just look at me and B'Elanna".
In my opinion he is one of the best Bond actor
Yay! Another fan
Wasn't Leonardo just great? Also, I liked the fact that he was played by Gimli the dwarf ...Yay! Another fan
I'm planning on making some wallpapers for CONCERNING FLIGHT perhaps towards the end of this year.
Well, lets try this again. 
Of the two, Mulgrew was the right choice.
There's lots of good info at Memory Alpha re: this (Bujold) issue, along with many others including the multitude of hairstyle changes WITHIN the pilot the Janeway (and by extension Mulgrew) suffered through.
https://static.squarespace.com/stat...22213025096/1000w/janeway-hair-au-naturel.jpg
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...ision/latest?cb=20150123012520&path-prefix=en
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Caretaker_(episode)
My last attempted post included the pertinent quotes, but I'm not taking another chance so feel free to read through everything on your own.
Of the two, Mulgrew was the right choice.
There's lots of good info at Memory Alpha re: this (Bujold) issue, along with many others including the multitude of hairstyle changes WITHIN the pilot the Janeway (and by extension Mulgrew) suffered through.
https://static.squarespace.com/stat...22213025096/1000w/janeway-hair-au-naturel.jpg
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...ision/latest?cb=20150123012520&path-prefix=en
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Caretaker_(episode)
My last attempted post included the pertinent quotes, but I'm not taking another chance so feel free to read through everything on your own.
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I'm not a fan - I've always seen him as a bit of a 'ham', you can see him acting. Was a big improvement on Moore though.
Very often, an actor / character you're not fond of grows on you. Ethan Phillips managed it with the horrible Neelix, which was testament to him as an actor. Mulgrew completely failed to grow on me. Likewise Tim Russ as Tuvok.
Neelix is my least favorite character in all of ST. I despise him. Ethan Phillips seems like a nice enough guy and a capable actor.
This idea of Bujold being cast, in part, because The Powers That Be wanted an older woman who, sort of, evoked Picard, is interesting to me, because age wasn't Picard's draw, or appeal. Quite aside from talent, or training, Sir Patrick Stewart's very distinctive. So distinctive, in fact, that he's easy to imitate and you'll know who's being imitated, instantly. Bujold doesn't evoke a memorable persona like that, at all.
Mulgrew, though, she has that sort of distinctiveness, where - again - if somebody was imitating it, you'd know who they were trying to make you think of. The way she talks, the way she looks, you're going to remember her. Bujold doesn't strike me like that, at all. But you always hear stories about how wildly different the casting was going to be, in some cases. It makes me wonder if it's serendipity, really? Or ... does someone really recognise what's happening and $aves the day? Especially when it's not so far along, where everything's piece-meal and nobody's really sure what they have on their hands, yet. It's remarkable how these projects come together, without the luxury of retrospect. I mean, wow ... they actually committed to Bujold. It was a full-on commitment.
Mulgrew, though, she has that sort of distinctiveness, where - again - if somebody was imitating it, you'd know who they were trying to make you think of. The way she talks, the way she looks, you're going to remember her. Bujold doesn't strike me like that, at all. But you always hear stories about how wildly different the casting was going to be, in some cases. It makes me wonder if it's serendipity, really? Or ... does someone really recognise what's happening and $aves the day? Especially when it's not so far along, where everything's piece-meal and nobody's really sure what they have on their hands, yet. It's remarkable how these projects come together, without the luxury of retrospect. I mean, wow ... they actually committed to Bujold. It was a full-on commitment.
The little I've seen of Bujold as Janeway makes me think she would have been a great Vulcan.
To be fair, we haven't seen what Berman and Braga saw to make them want Bujold.
As I have already said, Berman didn't feel Bujold was the right choice for Janeway. right the beginning (and even, before the actress begins the rehearsals). But, the Paramount's executives wanted a big name to lead the cast in order to attract viewers and Bujold was a reference in 80s and 90s. As for Braga, his involvement in Voyager really began from s4 (Seven of Nine was his creation and Jeri Ryan, his choice) and later, he took Jeri Taylor's seat as producer.
The point being, someone liked her at some point and it would be interesting to know why.
I should not be surprised that Rick Berman said those horrible things, even if they are true. I still don't like him. Even if U.S.A. audiences are extremely timid about anything and everything, that is not something that Gene Roddenberry would say. I don't think that the audience wanted to see a woman as second in command but he filmed the episode in 1964 anyways. They ended up recasting Number One with Uhura (although Spock became the First Officer), Colt with Rand, and Majel Barrett returned as Chapel. And again, I don't think that the audience wanted to see a black woman either. But he did it anyways. Roddenberry seemed to want a diverse cast, explaining why Troi was supposed to have an Indian accent (also inspired from the Ilia character). Picard was British and raised in France. It would make perfect sense for Genevieve Bujold to be cast. But Berman thinks that U.S.A. audience does not like "old" music, and it makes sense for him to think that U.S.A. audiences would fear a French accent.
I think that Kate Mulgrew is an acceptable choice for Captain Janeway. Actually I never knew about Genevieve and I thought that the role of Captain KATHerine (however it is spelled) sounds very similar to KATE Mulgrew. Usually they will name a character after the actress. In Mary Tyler Moore, they named her Mary Richards. In The Bob Newhart Show, they named him Robert Hartley (Bob seems to be a nickname for Robert), Roseanne Barr has a character named Roseanne Conner. Tim Allen is Tim Taylor. And Jim Belushi as Jim Orenthal (?) etc.
Her appearance, and personality, often felt very polished, clean, perhaps too clean. Cleanliness was a required thing of the 1990s, but in many episodes there was no action compared to action of the 1960s Star Trek. Even though there was too many colours added to The Enterprise because Pretty Colours was a thing of the 1960s, it still had action. I thought there would be more of that style for Voyager. I expected her to be more Hood-ish. Or Ghetto-ish. Because if I were in her position: stranded in the Delta Quadrant, might never return home in my lifetime, and I was no longer going to be married, etc. I would be a lot more brash. There were episodes that required that and Mulgrew certainly played the part perfectly, but somebody even more brash would be even better. Somebody similar to Michelle Forbes, or as wild as Jennifer Hetrick.
Or even much more convincing: Suzie Plakson? She has played at least four different characters. While her voice and personality is similar for those characters, none of those characters look similar at all and so it is unlikely people would recognize and complain.
I think that Kate Mulgrew is an acceptable choice for Captain Janeway. Actually I never knew about Genevieve and I thought that the role of Captain KATHerine (however it is spelled) sounds very similar to KATE Mulgrew. Usually they will name a character after the actress. In Mary Tyler Moore, they named her Mary Richards. In The Bob Newhart Show, they named him Robert Hartley (Bob seems to be a nickname for Robert), Roseanne Barr has a character named Roseanne Conner. Tim Allen is Tim Taylor. And Jim Belushi as Jim Orenthal (?) etc.
Her appearance, and personality, often felt very polished, clean, perhaps too clean. Cleanliness was a required thing of the 1990s, but in many episodes there was no action compared to action of the 1960s Star Trek. Even though there was too many colours added to The Enterprise because Pretty Colours was a thing of the 1960s, it still had action. I thought there would be more of that style for Voyager. I expected her to be more Hood-ish. Or Ghetto-ish. Because if I were in her position: stranded in the Delta Quadrant, might never return home in my lifetime, and I was no longer going to be married, etc. I would be a lot more brash. There were episodes that required that and Mulgrew certainly played the part perfectly, but somebody even more brash would be even better. Somebody similar to Michelle Forbes, or as wild as Jennifer Hetrick.
Or even much more convincing: Suzie Plakson? She has played at least four different characters. While her voice and personality is similar for those characters, none of those characters look similar at all and so it is unlikely people would recognize and complain.
You wouldn't even need Fair Haven to program the perfect man...just a holodeckI would really enjoy Fair Haven - it seems like a very relaxing environment. And since gay issues aren't addressed on VOY, Fair Haven is a paradise for a person like myself because it seems I could programme the ideal guy in accordance with my taste ...
I wouldn't be very easily amused by the Captain Proton simulation but I understand why Tom and Harry are.
My favourite holodeck programme is undoubtedly Leonardo da Vinci. That one would be interesting, especially if I could use it together with Janeway.
For relaxation purposes I would use the Paxau resort all the time. It's a pity we don't see it after Season 3.
For genuine excitement, I think Tuvok and Tom's insurrection programme is the best. That would be fun, playing on both sides. Even Janeway couldn't wait to see how Janeway would outwit the conspirators ...
As for Genevieve Bujold, I just can't see her falling in love with Michael Sullivan. But who knows? As Tom put it on SOMEONE TO WATCH OVER ME, "stranger things have happened. Just look at me and B'Elanna".
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