Budweiser Factory Enterprise, Good or Bad Idea?

[I-Am-Zim]

The only thing remotely resembling a Lava Lamp is the red matter containment containers in Trek09. Quit it the lava lamps. And if I had to choose, I would rather have a lava lamp looking warp core than a big steel beer vat.

Seriously. The red matter tube did resemble a lava lamp. And especially when the Jellyfish crashed into the Narada, all those little globs of red matter looked just like lava lamp "lava" floating about. As for starship warp cores, I never saw anything that even remotely resembled a lava lamp. They all looked like chambers where reactions occurred that produced tremendous amounts of energy necessary to power a starship capable of faster than light travel. The Abramsprise has a brewery. I guess if you get drunk enough, you'll feel like you're travelling faster than light.

 

[M'Sharak]

What's with all the lava lamp references? I never saw a lava lamp in Star Trek. I saw a matter/antimatter reaction chamber and plasma transfer conduits and such. Now I have a very nice lava lamp on my desk at home. And it...is....mezermizing.......

The only thing remotely resembling a Lava Lamp is the red matter containment containers in Trek09. Quit it the lava lamps. And if I had to choose, I would rather have a lava lamp looking warp core than a big steel beer vat.

Seriously. The red matter tube did resemble a lava lamp. And especially when the Jellyfish crashed into the Narada, all those little globs of red matter looked just like lava lamp "lava" floating about. As for starship warp cores, I never saw anything that even remotely resembled a lava lamp. They all looked like chambers where reactions occurred that produced tremendous amounts of energy necessary to power a starship capable of faster than light travel.

It looks like a lot of work when compared to the end result but, between the two of you, you managed to suck almost all the fun out of what's really no more than an affectionate (not to mention years-old) nickname.

Bravo.

 

[Sabataage]

What's with all the lava lamp references? I never saw a lava lamp in Star Trek. I saw a matter/antimatter reaction chamber and plasma transfer conduits and such. Now I have a very nice lava lamp on my desk at home. And it...is....mezermizing.......

The only thing remotely resembling a Lava Lamp is the red matter containment containers in Trek09. Quit it the lava lamps. And if I had to choose, I would rather have a lava lamp looking warp core than a big steel beer vat.

Seriously. The red matter tube did resemble a lava lamp. And especially when the Jellyfish crashed into the Narada, all those little globs of red matter looked just like lava lamp "lava" floating about. As for starship warp cores, I never saw anything that even remotely resembled a lava lamp. They all looked like chambers where reactions occurred that produced tremendous amounts of energy necessary to power a starship capable of faster than light travel.

It looks like a lot of work when compared to the end result but, between the two of you, you managed to suck almost all the fun out of what's really no more than an affectionate (not to mention years-old) nickname.

Bravo.

Lava lamp or brewery? Which laughably absurd, utterly dubious engine do you want powering your totally imaginary starship? Personally, I like pretty pretty lights that blink in sequence. But I also like beer. So how about both?

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Bender Engine.

 

[M'Sharak]

Personally, I like pretty pretty lights that blink in sequence. But I also like beer. So how about both?

I'd vote for it.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The Bender Engine.

Yes!

 

[Trekker4747]

A damp factory with exposed beams, concrete walls, metal catwalks and and giat tanks with piping and connection on them being inside a computer lab Uhura is working in doesn't a 23rd-Century starship make.

The scene with Kirk and Scotty running around amid the giant tanks and such "works", mostly as being some bowel of the ship where fuel is stored -though the turbine room was silly- for the parts of the ship where one would expect something better loking (like the cramped tank-space Uhura is working in) looked really, really dump. I don't think brewery worked at all for the ship's interior. It looked like what it was, a "factory."

It didn't look like a futuristic space-ship at all.

My other problem is the "main engineering" area with no obvious warp-core or central reactor. And then when we "dump the warp core" we see several tanks of "something" ejected out of the ship. It was just silly.

Watching the ship interiors in this movie reminded me of the inside of the ship the Southern Sun in the movie Space Mutiny. "Doesn't this huge basement make the ship kind-of top heavy?"

IMHO

 

[OneBuckFilms]

The items ejected as the "Warp Core" actually make sense, since in TOS, the model for the movie in many ways, we never actually saw a central "Warp Core".

Therefore, it is entirely possible that the Warp Core may contain several "dilithium chambers", aka intermix chambers, that work in concert and can provide some redudancy.

So I can't give you that one.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

However, even though we never actually "saw" the warp reactor in TOS, subsequest versions of Star Trek have firmly established the design aesthetic of the warp reactor, all the way back to TMP. But I have to concede that given the fact that we never "saw" it, some leeway could be given to the designers. But...a brewery?????????? Gaaaahh!!!

 

[OneBuckFilms]

However, even though we never actually "saw" the warp reactor in TOS, subsequest versions of Star Trek have firmly established the design aesthetic of the warp reactor, all the way back to TMP. But I have to concede that given the fact that we never "saw" it, some leeway could be given to the designers. But...a brewery?????????? Gaaaahh!!!

Believe it or not Zim, we actually agree on this.

The Brewery was not the end of the world, but it really was not that believable.

The aesthetic they were going for was good, the problem was in the execution of the aesthetic.

A larger, more complex Engineering, with piping, conduits etc. would have worked if it wasn't a recognizable location, and had a better sense of geography within the ship.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

However, even though we never actually "saw" the warp reactor in TOS, subsequest versions of Star Trek have firmly established the design aesthetic of the warp reactor, all the way back to TMP. But I have to concede that given the fact that we never "saw" it, some leeway could be given to the designers. But...a brewery?????????? Gaaaahh!!!

Believe it or not Zim, we actually agree on this.

The Brewery was not the end of the world, but it really was not that believable.

The aesthetic they were going for was good, the problem was in the execution of the aesthetic.

A larger, more complex Engineering, with piping, conduits etc. would have worked if it wasn't a recognizable location, and had a better sense of geography within the ship.

That is amazing. And I agree with you as well. It didn't look "believeable" on screen. And the fact that it was obviously a recognizeable, earthbound set irritated me and literally took me out of the movie for those scenes.

 

[stonester1]

I agree as well. I like where they were going, they just didn't get there. But I suspect what we'll see in the next film will be reworked interiors as far as these locations go that refine what they were going for in the first film, probably some of what they had the first film, combined with the aesthetics of what has been seen before.

If they do it right, it will look pretty/very cool.

 

[Sector 7]

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I agree with these sentiments.

One thing no one has mentioned: On the DVD, many people spoke of the fact that JJ Abrams is adamant about shooting as much real, on-site footage as possible, compared to CGI and sound stage work. This may have also been as much a factor in choosing the brewery as money.

While it did not take me out of the movie, I too would prefer an engineering change for the sequel. Hopefully it will still show the size and scope of engineering.

I was never a fan of 24th century single lava lamp design. At least this movie showed some redundancy of warp cores. I always hated that on a ship as large as a Galaxy class, there was never a back-up core somewhere.

 

[Harvey]

I didn't mind the brewery location except for one shot: the big, sweeping camera move of Kirk trying to escape Engineering (which comes after the sequence with Scotty in the tubes), but being intercepted by "Cupcake," among others. It looks a little too much like a brewery in that one shot, and also looks a little large. But, overall, I didn't mind the location at all.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I didn't mind the brewery location except for one shot: the big, sweeping camera move of Kirk trying to escape Engineering (which comes after the sequence with Scotty in the tubes), but being intercepted by "Cupcake," among others. It looks a little too much like a brewery in that one shot, and also looks a little large. But, overall, I didn't mind the location at all.

Yeah, in that scene the location did not work.

 

[Gojira]

I didn't mind the brewery location except for one shot: the big, sweeping camera move of Kirk trying to escape Engineering (which comes after the sequence with Scotty in the tubes), but being intercepted by "Cupcake," among others. It looks a little too much like a brewery in that one shot, and also looks a little large. But, overall, I didn't mind the location at all.

That was the only moment when the location took me out of the movie for a moment.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Parts of it worked for me and parts of it didn't.

I liked that they went with a different asthetic, with pipes and tanks. I liked that it looked big, and that you immediately knew you were in the bowels of the ship.

I didn't like that at times it looked WAY too big to fit inside the ship and that in a couple of scenes (Kirk finding Uhura & Kirk chasing Scotty in the tubes) it looked all-too-recognizable as a brewery.

 

[pymfan2000]

I agree. Good idea (going industrial/functional looking) but poorly exected. The scenes where I readily recognized it as a brewery took me right out of the movie.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

Honestly, a more industrial look would have worked fine for me if there was a bit more of the 23rd century tech we are familiar with thrown in. Sticking a couple of computer screens here and there in an old abandoned brewery does not a 23rd century faster-than-light starship make. IMO, using the brewery without any CGI background enhancements was a seriously bad idea. At no point during the engineering scenes did I feel like they were actually in a starship travelling at warp speed in the 23rd century. It looked like they were in a factory, on the ground, in the 20th century. It just didn't work for me at all. I prefer the cleaner, more high tech look of Star Trek over the low tech 20th century Bud plant. That was a very bad move, in my opinion.

 

[SilentP]

I didn't mind the brewery location except for one shot: the big, sweeping camera move of Kirk trying to escape Engineering (which comes after the sequence with Scotty in the tubes), but being intercepted by "Cupcake," among others. It looks a little too much like a brewery in that one shot, and also looks a little large. But, overall, I didn't mind the location at all.

That was the only moment when the location took me out of the movie for a moment.

Agreed.

The problem for me was that there seemed to be a lack of any location where the whole of the Engineering was controlled from, or any hint of such a location. The panel for ejecting the warp cores was some small, seemingly random placed panel that looked a little lost in the middle of everything. You'd think that a panel to control something so important would have a bit more presence?

However, I don't have a problem with the industrial aesthetic, I much prefer it over the panels and single lone core in the centre of the engineering deck approach.