THIS looks futuristic.
No, it doesn't look futuristic. In fact it doesn't look real at all.
Budweiser Factory Enterprise, Good or Bad Idea?
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No, it doesn't look futuristic. In fact it doesn't look real at all.
In 1966, when I was thirteen years old and watching it on a 23-inch color TV, it looked real enough. Maybe that's why, to me, it still does.
I think the reason they paid that level of attention to the academy scenes and not to engineering is *because* they needed those academy scenes first. And the scenes aboard the Narada (like the hanger bay where the Jellyfish was kept) and the scenes set on Vulcan and Delta Vega and the inherant cost of building all of those CGI ships and sets. Taking into account everything that happens during the movie you can see how they spent that $100 million.
Nearly all the action in the history of Star Trek has occured in or around an Enterprise; in this one they don't even get to the damn ship until forty-five minutes in and then they're off again to other exciting places intermittenly after that. The next one will likley have more scenes set aboard the Enterprise which means they'll have a wider budget to spend on its interiors. I mean, in this one, they built the bridge, the transporter room and one 'T'-shaped corridor. The rest was location shooting mixed with CGI. That can't be convenient for them, if every time they cut to Scotty in engineering they have to drive out to Santa Monica (or where ever) to shoot on location in some operating facility. It wouldn't be practical.
Withers
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More to the point... how does it look better by comparison? Is it really being said that the original (from the series) looks better than the re-booted look? Visually there wouldn't seem to be much of a contest. Bring it up to TwoK or even just TMP and I think that's a legitimate debate as to which engine room looks better. But the series vs. something that came out 30 plus years later...? C'mon.
Fair enough. Is that, then, to say the new doesn't though?
Fair enough. Is that, then, to say the new doesn't though?
-Withers-
I imagine that to the average 13-year-old the sets in Abrams's movie look pretty stupendous too.
I watched TOS on a 19-inch black-and-white TV in 1966.
I watched TOS on a 19-inch black-and-white TV in 1966.
I-Am-Zim
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No. Not okay. That is not a good enough reason for me.
THIS looks futuristic.
No, it doesn't look futuristic. In fact it doesn't look real at all.
Yes. It does. Maybe it doesn't to you. But is does to some of us. I like it a lot better than the brewery. It looks like something that could have come from the future, not from the 19th century.
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For some reason that shot looks like they've been shrunk down or have landed in The Land of the Giants.
No. Not okay. That is not a good enough reason for me.
THIS looks futuristic.
No, it doesn't look futuristic. In fact it doesn't look real at all.
Yes. It does. Maybe it doesn't to you. But is does to some of us. I like it a lot better than the brewery. It looks like something that could have come from the future, not from the 19th century.
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Like random ice planet monsters?
It worked fine for almost everyone. It worked for Abrams and crew, because they saved millions of budget dollars. It worked fine for the millions of casual moviegoers who watched the movie, because they wouldn't have known or even given a crap about a detail like that. In fact, the only people who it didn't work for are the extremely small percentage of hard-core Trek fans who whine and bitch about every little thing. Unfortunately, 100% of them post on this site.
Had no problem with it at all in the movie. I've seen still pictures where the nature of the place is obvious in various annoying ways, but not in the movie itself - and that's all that counts.
Agreed. Maybe in the sequel we'll learn this was only the engineering section in the primary hull.
I didn't like it at all simply because it did not mesh with the overall designs of the rest of the interior of the ship but regardless of whether or not you liked it what I don't get is why "small-minded" trek fans have to go spewing crap about how its a hardcore trek fan thing. Silly. Its our right to like or not like simple as that.
THIS looks futuristic.
No, it doesn't look futuristic. In fact it doesn't look real at all.
Looks futuristic to me.
I liked the engine room from the original series alot. Since the actual warp drive was outside the ship in the nacelles, it made sense to put both the warp drive controls and the impulse system controls in one place. Also the location showed the impulse engines behind the big grillework. We never saw an actual matter/antimatter reactor(s) but I think it was implied that they were located in the nacelles as well. Also, blueprints made for the refit indicated a new upgraded engine room only for the impulse engines at the top of the vertical intermix chamber. I would like to see a clear shuttle bay with a proper hanger below deck, as shown in diagrams of the Enterprise-E and the original. Landing manually between all of those stacked shuttles looks like one hell of an accident waiting to happen.
Even more amazing is that most of the examples that Stargate Studios used in their clip came from TV shows, with episodic budgets, rather than the millions and millions that are heaped on to a film production.
Let's put things in a certain context, though: the 21st century of the real 21st century looks less futuristic than the 21st century of, say, a 1970s work of fiction. That is, the more we progress down real life, the more that aesthetics change, adapt, get reined in but also expand as well when it comes to creating fiction. ENT is a great example of this: in some ways, it looks more advanced than TOS, and in other ways it looks more primitive, both of which are very much a result of there being a 40-year difference in production values and artistic trends.
I don't like the Budweiser Brewery engineering section that we saw, but I certainly liked the dynamic energy and colors in whatever room that McCoy and Bloated-Kirk met Uhura in to tell her about the Narada threat. I don't get why that set looks so different than engineering with all the vibrancy and action, but it does. It is what it is.
If I recall; the designers for Enterprise spent some time on a nuclear submarine to get inspiration for what a future more-compact long-duration space ship would look like. This even applied to the uniforms. To come full-circle, it's been said that the control center of the newest Virginia-class nuclear sub looks like something straight from Star Trek. It doesn't have a periscope; just high-def displays everywhere. The periscope has been replaced by an optical mast with cameras.
Ditto. Best engine room is STTMP.
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I like this engine room, but even I will agree that the TMP engine room was fantastic.
The TMP engine room was a Big Blue Lava Lamp!
With midgets in mini spacesuits to make it look bigger!
At no point while seeing STXI did seeing engineering, the comm centre or outside the hanger deck take me out of the film. At no point did I think "brewery". I thought "Wow this ship is HUGE!"
Is anyone here actually going to boycott the next film over the engine room?
Did anyone love the film until they saw the engine room? Was it the single ruining cause for anyone?
With midgets in mini spacesuits to make it look bigger!
At no point while seeing STXI did seeing engineering, the comm centre or outside the hanger deck take me out of the film. At no point did I think "brewery". I thought "Wow this ship is HUGE!"
Is anyone here actually going to boycott the next film over the engine room?
Did anyone love the film until they saw the engine room? Was it the single ruining cause for anyone?
Budweiser factory worked on screen better than I thought it would before seeing the movie.
Good or bad idea ? Eh, it is what it is.
It's not what I would have done or preferred but what can you do. It's what we got.
I wouldn't mind seeing a new engineering in XII.
Good or bad idea ? Eh, it is what it is.
It's not what I would have done or preferred but what can you do. It's what we got.
I wouldn't mind seeing a new engineering in XII.
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