Budweiser Factory Enterprise, Good or Bad Idea?

[Jeyl]

Abrams said he didn't want CGI sets. So he got his wish.

But he did have sets that used CGI nonetheless. Remember those interior shots of the Narada that had bottomless pits and very open areas? Why not make a partially built engineering set with CGI enhancements? Put in as many real elements to give the actors stuff to interact with and enough real set to give the general look to have the CGI extended onto. Kind of like they did with those stupid water tubes.

I think it's silly and narrow minded to simply dismiss the CGI aspects just because it's CGI, especially when a massive bulk of the film relies heavily on it.

 

[JarodRussell]

CGI sets and set extensions can be great for one or two shots but, after a while, they begin to be painfully obvious CGI set extensions. They lack the weight that a real set or even an existing industrial location can provide.

That's simply not true. A digital set extension is not only a static matte painting anymore. It's a full 3d environment. And if ILM, Weta or Digital Domain do it, it's photorealistic.

Just my 2 cents worth.
Just saw the V recap on ABC tonight that showed the mothership's CGI engine room. If ABC can afford it then JJ Abrams should be able to.

Abrams said he didn't want CGI sets. So he got his wish.

San Francisco, the shuttle hangar, Nero's ship interior, the ice planet, the ice cave, the drill platform, there's a lot of CGI sets in this movie.

 

[I-Am-Zim]

Yep. There is CGI all over that movie. I don't understand what JJA was thinking with that rediculous brewery nonsense. It may have been okay if there were some CGI backdrops to make it actually look like something that could possibly be from a 23rd century starship capable of traveling faster than the speed of light instead of a 19th century factory.

 

[Char Aznable]

It doesn't really bother me, but I hope they come up with something a bit different for XII. I mean, its not like we spend the whole movie in there or anything. Its only like, two scenes.

 

[Set Harth]

Let's face it, an Engineering section that also brews its own beer would be all kinds of awesome.

 

[Jeyl]

Let's face it, an Engineering section that also brews its own beer would be all kinds of awesome.

Ya, but the look of it sure wouldn't be.

 

[Set Harth]

Nobody would care because they would be so wasted.

 

[Jeyl]

Nobody would care because they would be so wasted.

And that would suck for Star Trek.

 

[Dukhat]

Nobody would care because they would be so wasted.

And that would suck for Star Trek.

Dude, no offense, but you really, really need to work on your sense of humor.

 

[Devon]

Abrams said he didn't want CGI sets. So he got his wish.

But he did have sets that used CGI nonetheless.

That's still different than CGI sets.

Remember those interior shots of the Narada that had bottomless pits and very open areas? Why not make a partially built engineering set with CGI enhancements? Put in as many real elements to give the actors stuff to interact with and enough real set to give the general look to have the CGI extended onto. Kind of like they did with those stupid water tubes.

Ask J.J.

I think it's silly and narrow minded to simply dismiss the CGI aspects just because it's CGI, especially when a massive bulk of the film relies heavily on it.

That's still not the same as CGI sets.

San Francisco, the shuttle hangar, Nero's ship interior, the ice planet, the ice cave, the drill platform, there's a lot of CGI sets in this movie.

Those are all real locations with CGI, but not CGI sets (the hangar is actually a hangar, the drill platform was a platform, ice cave isn't CGI that I'm aware of.) Not CGI sets to the level you may be thinking. There's a difference.

It doesn't really bother me, but I hope they come up with something a bit different for XII. I mean, its not like we spend the whole movie in there or anything. Its only like, two scenes.

Exactly.

 

[Jeyl]

Ya, we're really totally unreasonable in asking for a set piece that's on a futuristic starship that's not from a modern day local brewery. I just find the transition between the cool built sets like the bridge and the hallways to the brewery sets distracting. Especially when the said brewery sets don't give the actors anything to work with. Just put a touch pad screen over there and boom, you're done.

 

[Devon]

Ya, we're really totally unreasonable in asking for a set piece that's on a futuristic starship that's not from a modern day local brewery.

No one said that. But it isn't your movie or even my movie to determine what "they could have done" and to dictate what they can do with their budget.

Just put a touch pad screen over there and boom, you're done.

It's still going to be a brewery but with touch pads.

I honestly wonder how many here actually knew what a brewery looked like until it was pointed out that they were filming there.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Cant say I did and I've watched Strange Brew numerous times. To me it was just a bunch of pipes and tanks. So it could have been anywhere with pipes and tanks. Even the bowels of a 23rd Century starship.

 

[Jeyl]

it isn't your movie or even my movie to determine what "they could have done" and to dictate what they can do with their budget.

Well, If that's not an excuse to excuse everything. Almost as simple as George Lucas' "Movies are fake" card to ignore criticism.

I honestly wonder how many here actually knew what a brewery looked like until it was pointed out that they were filming there.

I don't think it's the idea that it was a brewery that's bothersome, but that they shot interior parts of the Enterprise at local locations that looks nothing like any Starship interior (let alone any Enterprise interior) from Star Trek in over four decades. For me, it has more to do with things looking blatantly primitive compared to everything else like hanging light fixtures, clay floor tiles, concrete surfaces with steel beams screwed into them, and rotating knobs that just suck every ounce of futuristic out of the movie.

Also, using the same brewery from "Get Smart" didn't help matters either.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Why would clay tiles. hanging lights and rotating knobs be out of "style" in the future?

 

[Lord Garth]

Though it's not a make-or-break deal and the opening sequence works very well...

... I'll never be able to look at Engineering the same way again. Sorry. The Engineering sets are re-dressed beer factories?

But I guess Scotty would love it down there. An engineering deck with tons of beer. Built-in reason for how Scotty gets fat -- he gets a beer belly! -- and I bet he replaces all the beer with Scotch Wiskey within a week.

"Scotty I need more power!"

"Cap'n, the bartender will na' give me anymore!"

"Damn it! Then go to the bouncer Mister Scott!"

 

[Devon]

it isn't your movie or even my movie to determine what "they could have done" and to dictate what they can do with their budget.

Well, If that's not an excuse to excuse everything. Almost as simple as George Lucas' "Movies are fake" card to ignore criticism.

Not at all. What they "could have done" is irrelevant as if they had the means to do it they probably would have. We can not say what they "could have done" and dictated what they could have done with their budget. There's nothing to argue against that.

I don't think it's the idea that it was a brewery that's bothersome, but that they shot interior parts of the Enterprise at local locations that looks nothing like any Starship interior (let alone any Enterprise interior) from Star Trek in over four decades.

Doesn't need to.

 

[Jeyl]

Doesn't need to.

This film didn't need to be a lot of things, but they went ahead with them anyways.

We can not say what they "could have done" and dictated what they could have done with their budget.

Devon, get over it. I didn't like the brewery, I'm stating why I didn't like the brewery, and I certainly don't buy the idea that brewery like areas will ever be in starship. It was dumb in Space Mutiny, and it's still dumb here. The only hope I have is that they'll be more productive in the next movie. It's not like they don't have sketches of engineering to work with.

Why would clay tiles. hanging lights and rotating knobs be out of "style" in the future?

Because they never were in style back then? What Nasa ship has ever used clay tiles and water based concrete as structural material for a spaceship?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Doesn't need to.

This film didn't need to be a lot of things, but they went ahead with them anyways.

We can not say what they "could have done" and dictated what they could have done with their budget.

Devon, get over it. I didn't like the brewery, I'm stating why I didn't like the brewery, and I certainly don't buy the idea that brewery like areas will ever be in starship. It was dumb in Space Mutiny, and it's still dumb here. The only hope I have is that they'll be more productive in the next movie. It's not like they don't have sketches of engineering to work with.

Why would clay tiles. hanging lights and rotating knobs be out of "style" in the future?

Because they never were in style back then? What Nasa ship has ever used clay tiles and water based concrete as structural material for a spaceship?

The space shuttle uses ceramic tiles. Astronauts call it "The Brick Yard". In TOS the floors often look like concret. (Might just be painted wood though.) Why assume that these materials are the same in the "Future"? Are the pipes, decks and bulkheads seen in TOS made of the material the props are or is that material supposed to represent something futuristic? Are the rock styrofoam and papermache or stone? Is the city seen in Operation -- Annihilate! a colony on another world or the TRW campus?

 

[Devon]

Doesn't need to.

This film didn't need to be a lot of things, but they went ahead with them anyways.

Doesn't matter, and irrelevant to this.

Devon, get over it.

Nothing to "get over." I'm not complaining.

I didn't like the brewery, I'm stating why I didn't like the brewery, and I certainly don't buy the idea that brewery like areas will ever be in starship. It was dumb in Space Mutiny, and it's still dumb here. The only hope I have is that they'll be more productive in the next movie. It's not like they don't have sketches of engineering to work with.

When did I say you weren't entitled to your opinion? That has nothing to do with this.

What Nasa ship has ever used clay tiles and water based concrete as structural material for a spaceship?

Keep your goalpost in one place, what does that have to do with "Engineerings of the fictional future starships?"