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Battling apathy

...and Christopher's Titan novels, which aim to present a Star Trek remolded to his liking...

Interesting turn of phrase. I would submit that Titan was primarily shaped by Marco Palmieri's "liking;" the series premise he developed just happened to be a very close fit to what would've been my own approach to writing an original starship-exploration series. In general, Marco and I just seemed to have very similar approaches.

More generally, I think that a lot of Trek novelists over the decades have been given the freedom to interpret Star Trek in a way that reflected their own individual styles -- Diane Duane, Vonda McIntyre, Diane Carey, Peter David, David Mack, Ilsa J. Bick, etc. And while individuals would naturally prefer some writers' characteristic styles over others, I think giving authors the freedom to make ST their own, to bring their own distinctive voices and visions to the premise, has enabled the greater body of Trek literature to be richer and more memorable than if we were all obligated to conform to some generic house style. Indeed, I shouldn't say "if," because that was pretty much the case for much of the '90s, and few people would count that as a high point for Trek Lit. This past decade, largely thanks to Marco, Trek Lit was able to aspire to something higher, with authors encouraged to follow their own muses rather than subsume their individuality. I'm simply one beneficiary of that greater freedom.
 
One thing I think the novels are lacking is a clearly defined voice. That doesn't mean that each series has to be written bo one or two people but each series should stand apart from the others. Christopher has done a great job on Titan. Vanguard has been excellent. The other series, not so much.
 
I'm so glad you are in the alternate TrekLit universe and I am in this one.

I really wish there was an alternate TrekLit universe because this one is just disappointing. But it's not just the Pocket Books output that has been lacking... it seems all the spin-off materials (comics, action figures, video games) have went way downhill over the past few years (been a fan since 1975). :(

Hell... I found myself playing Star Trek: 25th Anniversary for the NES the other night, trying to get a decent Trek video game fix.
 
Just have to pop in to agree 100% with what Christopher said a few posts up. Reading the various authors' interpretations of Star Trek over the years has been a pleasure.
 
it seems all the spin-off materials (comics, action figures, video games) have went way downhill over the past few years (been a fan since 1975).

Been a fan since December 1979, bought everything, read most of it, and totally disagree. There have been highs (and a few lows) alternating since ST tie-ins were invented.

Maybe your tastes have changed?

One thing I think the novels are lacking is a clearly defined voice.

Now you want them homogenized into one "clearly defined voice"? Even Gene Roddenberry couldn't manage that.
 
One thing I think the novels are lacking is a clearly defined voice.

Now you want them homogenized into one "clearly defined voice"? Even Gene Roddenberry couldn't manage that.

No, not a homohenized voice but each series should offer something different. Something distinctive. Next Frontier is the "Bwah-ha-ha, let's not take things seriously" series. Vanguard is the "Exploring a mystery in the TOS" era series. Titan has been the "New worlds" series, at least the middle of the series. DS9 & TNG have just sort of flopped about, looking for some sort of direction. I dpn't read the Voyager series but I've heard it's gotten better and set out on a course that will set it apart. With TNG and DS9 being fairly aimless and TNG being the flagship (sorry) series for the 24th century, the books of that time period just aren't working for me as well as they have in the past.

They don't have to be the same but each series should have a distinct voice. Something that sets them apart.
 
Maybe your tastes have changed?

Of course my tastes have changed, it's been thirty-five years. But my tastes and the course TrekLit has taken are obviously going in different directions. I still enjoy light-breezy reads and the occasional 400 page giant novel. I still enjoy books being set during the TV run of Star Trek: The Next Generation.

Star Trek: Destiny was a well written set of books but they really turned me off, overall, to this incarnation of the Trek universe. YMMV.
 
each series should offer something different. Something distinctive. Next Frontier is the "Bwah-ha-ha, let's not take things seriously" series. Vanguard is the "Exploring a mystery in the TOS" era series. Titan has been the "New worlds" series...
They don't have to be the same but each series should have a distinct voice. Something that sets them apart.

And I can't see that things have changed. Each series is still quite distinctive. And yet you said earlier that the novels are supposedly "lacking" a "clearly defined voice"?
 
Not each series needs to be written by the same author in order to have a distict voice. If each series is the same, why bother having different series?

Sorry, I don't see the main 24th century series as destinctive. Voyager may, based on the fact that they're going back to the Delta Quadrant. Titan was off on deep space exploration but it seems to be bopping back to Federation space or at least near to it, probably to make crossovers easier. DS9 and TNG are a mess.
 
Not each series needs to be written by the same author in order to have a distict voice. If each series is the same, why bother having different series?

Sorry, I don't see the main 24th century series as destinctive. Voyager may, based on the fact that they're going back to the Delta Quadrant.

Correct, according to all the reviews I've read, and my short introductory read of the line so far.

Titan was off on deep space exploration but it seems to be bopping back to Federation space or at least near to it
Sigh. "Titan" was also the series that concentrated on the unique traits of a multi-worlds crew, and it still does that, and the TNG book I'm currently reading, "Losing the Peace" (excellent!) states that "Titan" is back exploring the unknown.

DS9 and TNG are a mess.
Oh well, nothing we can say will convince you otherwise. I don't find them a mess, not at all.
 
Not each series needs to be written by the same author in order to have a distict voice. If each series is the same, why bother having different series?

Sorry, I don't see the main 24th century series as destinctive. Voyager may, based on the fact that they're going back to the Delta Quadrant.

Correct, according to all the reviews I've read, and my short introductory read of the line so far.

Titan was off on deep space exploration but it seems to be bopping back to Federation space or at least near to it
Sigh. "Titan" was also the series that concentrated on the unique traits of a multi-worlds crew, and it still does that, and the TNG book I'm currently reading, "Losing the Peace" (excellent!) states that "Titan" is back exploring the unknown.

DS9 and TNG are a mess.
Oh well, nothing we can say will convince you otherwise. I don't find them a mess, not at all.

Don't take this the wrong way but I get the feeling you find very little wrong with Trek at all. You're always upbeat and "rah-rah" about it all. I end to be a little more picky. Different strokes.
 
Tell you what. You send a premium of 25% of whatever you buy, regardless of what you consider the quality and we'll call thinks even, OK?
 
Don't take this the wrong way but I get the feeling you find very little wrong with Trek at all. You're always upbeat and "rah-rah" about it all. I end to be a little more picky. Different strokes.

I can give you plenty of ST I felt was below par. Some stuff was absolutely dreadful, for example the novels "Warped", "The Laertion Gamble", "The Final Nexus", "Into the Nebula" and the hideously boring "Rebels" trilogy.

I also didn't think very highly of ST V, nor a lot of DS9, VOY or ENT's second seasons. And many of the Gold Key Star Trek comics.

Pardon me for being upbeat.
 
Feel free to be as upbeat as you like. Give me the same freedom to talk about things that I feel could be improved.
 
Feel free to be as upbeat as you like. Give me the same freedom to talk about things that I feel could be improved.

You have all the freedom you like. But if you're really having such a hard time with the direction of recent (and future) ST novels, it amazes me that you feel the need to hang around ST Lit boards. Complaining about things you probably have very little chance of changing, and which puts you in a minority, seems a waste of energy to me. Are you really offering viable "improvements"? You want a "distinctive voice" for each series, then rattle off how several series have distinctive voices. I'm confused.

I seem to recall you wanting more standalones, and yet most recent ST novels were designed, and work very well, in my opinion, as both standalones and as partworks. We've had people say they've picked up novels from both early and recent times in the TNG Relaunch and didn't feel confused. The "Worlds of DS9", "Section 31", "Captain's Table", "Day of Honor" and "Typhon Pact" novels all seem to be able to be read in any order.

When I ran a ST club, if we had people disgruntled with the direction of canonical ST (and that was often), they tended to stop coming to meetings because they tired of being with people who were still liking/loving the then-current canonical output. Strangely enough, they often vanished suddenly and quietly, or left after a huge public dummy spit. We had a few members over the decades depart shouting, "Star Trek has always been stupid and you're all idiots!"

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, "apathy" is a common aspect of the cyclic nature of most fashion trends in popular culture. Some people will always find fault with products, I guess.
 
I'm sorry. Having something to say and having chatted with a number of authors here, for better or worse <grin>, I hardly think the solution is to just leave. Do you really want Trek forums to consist of people who do nothing but shower praise upon whatever Star Trek happens to be plastered on this month?

Disagreeing with the direction of parts of the franchise doesn't mean disagreeing with the franchise as a whole. I've been reading and watching Trek for too long to simply give up. I've outlasted the Arnold era. The time of no books. I'll outlast this dark period as well. It's just this time I'll be waiting it out on the internet. You won't get rid of me that easily <grin>.
 
I hardly think the solution is to just leave.

And I'm not suggesting you leave, but continued negativity about the current directions you perceive as being some new status quo must get you down. I usually find something cool in most ST tie-ins, even the truly awful ones, even if it's only a random Andorian appearance, a link to an episode of years past, or a fun quote.

I watch any new ST episode, whether I've heard it is good or bad, because I like to see them all for myself. I've been know to watch supposedly "really bad" ones several times, because they're good for a laugh. I actually really like "The Way to Eden" and "A Night in Sickbay". And ST:TMP.

I read every new ST novel, whether I've heard it is good or bad, because I like to read them all for myself. I sometimes prepare myself for the worst, and am pleasantly surprised, eg. "A Time to be Born"/"A Time to Die", and "Dyson Sphere". It amazes me that some people out there are avid fans of "The Laertian Gamble" and "Into the Nebula", although I hope I haven't ever driven them to drink when I mentioned how turgid those novels are.
 
I rather enjoyed the Titan and Vanguard series. The others, particularly in the aftermath of Destiny, are darker that I usually like my Trek.

However, it was interesting to get a look behind the masks of the Breen in Zero Sum Game. It was also nice to catch up with Ezri. On the flip side, I felt that what happened with Bashier was a misuse of the character, even though it was 5 (or is it 6) years later. That's one of the problems I have with the 5 year jump, it let's characters be dramatically altered without explanation. maybe we'll get one, maybe we'll just have to assume somehting happened.

I'm working on Seize the Fire right now. I'll let you know how it goes.
 
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