I recall JMS stating that TSW was something like 85 to 90 % canon.
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I recall JMS stating that TSW was something like 85 to 90 % canon.
Hmmm, interesting, I didn't know the books got into that detail. He seemed to have a particular interest in the 20th century, even during his speech in Infection he mentions Marilyn Monroe, Buddy Holly and Einstein.
So Tomalak, before the revelation in "Shadow of Z'ha'dum" what did you think was the purpose of the Vorlons in the story? That they would be important or just a background element? ... Yeah unfortunately the subplot of "Grey 17" is the single bad spot on the best run of television ever made from "Ship of Tears" on. Rest assured that's the last bad episode for awhile!
Pity. You'll be missing a thought-provoking story and a great new character at the very least.
Jan
I thought they were important but not as much as they ended up becoming. Even with the revelations, they are still quite mysterious but I didn't think they would be has huge to the story as they are. My question though is if they are one of the first ones, fighting the shadows and stuff like that, why did a Minbari try to have him assassinated in the first episode?
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Pity. You'll be missing a thought-provoking story and a great new character at the very least.
Jan
Indeed.
Not all Minbari believed in the prophecies of Valen and that particular Minbari was one of the warrior caste, from the Wind Sword clan - the ones that sheltered Deathwalker - which being the most militant and independent clans, again took matters into their own hands. The point wasn't so much to assassinate Kosh as to implicate Sinclair and thereby drive a wedge between humans and Vorlons while at the same time get rid of Sinclair, whom the Religious Caste had an interest in.
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I have another question. I just watched "Sky Full of Stars". Why does the one Grey Council guy tell Delenn to KILL Sinclair if he learns the truth? Did he not know what Tomalak just learned about him? Did he not care? Was it that some believed he was literally you know who and some thought it was just a piece of him?
I always got the impression that the Minbari knew that the soul of Valen was in Sinclair, but they didn't necessarily know that he was Valen.
That also does make sense with some of Neroon's (The character
) attitudes too. Thanks for clearing that up.
Neroon is from the Star Riders clans, which from what I gather are a very proud and conservative warrior clan, though they're not as extreme as the Wind Swords, those guys are a bunch of nutters by comparison.
But yes, the warrior caste in general don't all believe what the Religious Caste and the Grey Council have been telling them since the war and a division between the two castes will continue to be an important factor down the road.
Again, "City of Sorrows" goes into the dynamics of Minbari inter-caste and inter-clan relations a bit more...and Neroon is in there a bit too.
But yes, the warrior caste in general don't all believe what the Religious Caste and the Grey Council have been telling them since the war and a division between the two castes will continue to be an important factor down the road.
Again, "City of Sorrows" goes into the dynamics of Minbari inter-caste and inter-clan relations a bit more...and Neroon is in there a bit too.
Pity. You'll be missing a thought-provoking story and a great new character at the very least.
Jan
Agreed. Just finished watching "Sleeping in Light" last night, and now that my tears have finally stopped, I'm rewatching "The Lost Tales". I actually enjoy it, and I wish they'd make more. I'd tell the OP to watch it, and even if he doesn't like it, it's not like it lasts long.
If you read "To Dream in the City of Sorrows" you get the whole story of what Sakai, Marcus and Sinclair get up to in 2259. Aside from that it's a really good read that has a surprising amount of background info on the Rangers, Valen, the Minbari in general and even some of the origin of Jumpgates. Oh and it's all considered by JMS to be 100% canon.
I'm actually reading it right now (also picked up the first two Centauri trilogy books, damned if I can find the 3rd for a decent price though) and it seems like it should be a good book.
Okay.
Pity. You'll be missing a thought-provoking story and a great new character at the very least.
Jan
Agreed. Just finished watching "Sleeping in Light" last night, and now that my tears have finally stopped, I'm rewatching "The Lost Tales". I actually enjoy it, and I wish they'd make more. I'd tell the OP to watch it, and even if he doesn't like it, it's not like it lasts long.
Look, I agree with you (both). I have seen The Lost Tales several times - and each time, I enjoyed it more and more. Each time I found some subtle wrinkle of meaning tucked within the admittedly thin plot-line.
The same is true for Grey 17. But...
But my question is, you and I are not "normal." Grey 17 is one of the lowest ranked of the B5 episodes (it's 6.93 on the P5 scale). Shouldn't JMS have gone for the broadest possible B5 constituency for his first installment of The Lost Tales, so that at least there was some chance it would take off? Then, if it met with success, JMS could surely sneak in his seraphim plot-line in a latter installment?
It just seems like it was a really bad call. And now, as a result, there probably will never be any more Lost Tales.
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First off, I apologize in advance if this title puts a simple gospel song stuck in your head. It's not my fault.
I only bring that up because, well, it will probably be stuck in my head for a while. Interesting the juxtaposition to Refa's fate and the Song. Hell, now I know they don't do TV like this anymore because when was the last time a gospel song was really the point of the episode.
This episode felt like a lot of set up to what is to come but much like every episode that's been set up to something this was great set up. I'm really curious to see what Z-Minus means even though I have an idea. I am confused about Londo though. I guess he reminds me now a bit like Dukat from DS9. He's an opportunist, trying to rise to power, but just the fact that he was willing to trust G'Kar makes me wonder if this is a trip towards redemption or if he just was figured the time was right.
Also, the sense of hope is there again in this show. Loved seeing the fleet of White Star ships.
I'm still thinking about the gospel song moment. That might be one of my favorite moments (In a list of many) from this show. When it comes to set up to what's to come, man this show knows how to do it well and do it right.
First off, I apologize in advance if this title puts a simple gospel song stuck in your head. It's not my fault.
I only bring that up because, well, it will probably be stuck in my head for a while. Interesting the juxtaposition to Refa's fate and the Song. Hell, now I know they don't do TV like this anymore because when was the last time a gospel song was really the point of the episode.
This episode felt like a lot of set up to what is to come but much like every episode that's been set up to something this was great set up. I'm really curious to see what Z-Minus means even though I have an idea. I am confused about Londo though. I guess he reminds me now a bit like Dukat from DS9. He's an opportunist, trying to rise to power, but just the fact that he was willing to trust G'Kar makes me wonder if this is a trip towards redemption or if he just was figured the time was right.
Also, the sense of hope is there again in this show. Loved seeing the fleet of White Star ships.
I'm still thinking about the gospel song moment. That might be one of my favorite moments (In a list of many) from this show. When it comes to set up to what's to come, man this show knows how to do it well and do it right.
I laughed out loud the first time I saw it, reveling in the fact that Refa finally got what was coming to him. I loved it.
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