Axanar dropped a plot spoiler about a month ago

[BigJake]

^ You know, that's fair, and I retract that. At the fundamental level it is contradictory to look with skepticism on people presuming to judge Axanar's expenses with no frame of reference while implicitly endorsing people doing the same to Renegades. That's not fair to do and I apologize. (You too Bill and Karzak, I see what you were getting at about contradiction earlier -- so consider it resolved.)

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

Let me put it this way, last summer I gave $15.00 to people who were going to make a Star Trek film, and release it this summer. Now this summer is almost gone, and they have come back asking for more money, saying they will start shooting part 1 (of four parts) in January... When asked about what happened with the last 660k, we get an indignant reply about how much rent is in SoCal.... Seriously, they can go pleasure themselves...

 

[Tom]

Let me put it this way, last summer I gave $15.00 to people who were going to make a Star Trek film, and release it this summer. Now this summer is almost gone, and they have come back asking for more money, saying they will start shooting part 1 (of four parts) in January... When asked about what happened with the last 660k, we get an indignant reply about how much rent is in SoCal.... Seriously, they can go pleasure themselves...

This was my point to. The plan got changed after what was promised in the first Kickstarter. There is nothing wrong with running multiple campaigns in hopes to make your film better. But when when you change the plan and say you CANT do the full film unless you have XXX amount, that seems a bit misleading to the donors of the first drive. They did do a great job with funding prelude and getting done though i must say.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

But that gets into a part of these productions that I really couldn't care less about — the canon connecting and the obsession over ships.

Ships are nice, story is better.

I generally agree. I'm just saying I think the production as a whole would have to be considered hypocritical if it really wants to adopt that stance towards the current generation of Star Trek while also taking inspiration from it in such an overt manner.

I wouldn't mind so much if they just said, we're different from the new movies because of X. But it's the hubris that they speak for the majority of fans when they clearly do not.

 

[lurok]

Presumably whatever cash they've raised and not spent is sitting in a high interest account (or should be), which could hopefully reduce additional funding needed down the line?

 

[mos6507]

"A television pilot (also known as a pilot or a pilot episode) is a standalone episode of a television series that is used to sell the show to a television network."

Pilot still usually means someone greenlit the project in some official fashion. I don't think there's really any precedence for a group of people to go off and make an unsolicited spec pilot based on a preexisting franchise that they don't own.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

"A television pilot (also known as a pilot or a pilot episode) is a standalone episode of a television series that is used to sell the show to a television network."

Pilot still usually means someone greenlit the project in some official fashion. I don't think there's really any precedence for a group of people to go off and make an unsolicited spec pilot based on a preexisting franchise that they don't own.

During pilot season, usually a studio will make a plot, and shop it across the networks. Sometimes the studio will pitch a show without a pilot, and a network will order a pilot... Bu t it can and does go either way.

With that said, yes, renegades was unique in that it was unsolicited for an existing franchise, however, considering the involvement of veteran trek actors, and production personel, I don't think it was necessarily out of line....

 

[Harvey]

Usually pilots are financed with network involvement, no? Ultra low budget examples aside (e.g. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia), few are going to 100% deficit finance a pilot unless they have a surefire way to get that money back.

 

[Campe]

"A television pilot (also known as a pilot or a pilot episode) is a standalone episode of a television series that is used to sell the show to a television network."

Pilot still usually means someone greenlit the project in some official fashion. I don't think there's really any precedence for a group of people to go off and make an unsolicited spec pilot based on a preexisting franchise that they don't own.

During pilot season, usually a studio will make a plot, and shop it across the networks. Sometimes the studio will pitch a show without a pilot, and a network will order a pilot... Bu t it can and does go either way.

Not exactly right. More often than not it's really the other way around -- a pilot will be commissioned by the network after receiving a pitch from the studios (which have been pitched by the writers). If the pilot is accepted, it goes to series. Sometimes, a series will be ordered on a pitch alone. Sometimes, a network will want a product, particularly for an existing franchise, and ask a creative team/studio to pitch an idea.

With that said, yes, renegades was unique in that it was unsolicited for an existing franchise, however, considering the involvement of veteran trek actors, and production personel, I don't think it was necessarily out of line....

I do. It was pretty presumptuous for the Renegades crew to believe that they could pitch and sell a show to a network just because they had connections to Trek.

 

[Tom]

Our studio made the pilot and it was only showed to one network CBS. So yes, i agree, it is unprecedented and a bit out of the box. Still its pilot by definition

 

[fireproof78]

Well, I'm familiar with a concept called "proof of concept" wherein a studio will produce a pilot to demonstrate what there idea is, and pitch what could be done with full network resources.

Unsolicited is not all that unusual, other than the fact that Star Trek is a preexisting franchise. But, I don't see any difference in sending a pitch script, than going forward and producing the pilot episode to demonstrate to the studio more of the goals of the project.

One just takes more effort, so may be more unusual, but out of the norm, I would think.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

Hmm I wonder if this will have any impact....

Tony Tood, cast as the voice of Zoom, in The Flash Season 2

 

[Trekkin]

Wow, all this talk of the budget made me realise this thing has cost more than Blair Witch Project, Dark Star, Paranormal Activity, and The Evil Dead put together. Even something like Moon was only made for $5 mill, Dawn of the Dead for $1.5 mill. Monsters for half a mill, and Silent Running for $1 mill.

Leaving out inflation for some of the older ones of course.

Not really making a point about their honesty or whatnot, just starting to understand why CBS might be starting to pay a bit closer attention to them than they otherwise would.

 

[BigJake]

Don't see any indication that CBS is, just The Wrap.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

Don't see any indication that CBS is, just The Wrap.

The fact that CBS told Alec that everyone at CBS was aware, and some had reservations says CBS is...

 

[BillJ]

Don't see any indication that CBS is, just The Wrap.

The fact that CBS told Alec that everyone at CBS was aware, and some had reservations says CBS is...

I'd like someone to corroborate the information being presented on the website.

 

[Trekkin]

Point taken - The Wrap.

 

[BillJ]

Point taken - The Wrap.

I'm not just talking about The Wrap, but also what is on Axanar's site.

 

[Trekkin]

Oh. I wandered away a bit and didn't refresh the page before hitting 'reply', so I didn't see the subsequent posts.

You'd think I'd learn to do it automatically or just quote what I'm replying to, but noooo.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

Point taken - The Wrap.

I'm not just talking about The Wrap, but also what is on Axanar's site.

What Alec posted sort of backs up "The Wrap" article... And simply put, that conversation, at least recounted by Alec doesn't seem reassuring to me, that CBS is really okay with all this.