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Spoilers Avengers: Endgame grade and discussion thread

How do you rate Avengers: Endgame?

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M'rk son of Mogh said:
There are 2 differences:
Intent is number one. The intention of the shot showing the guys is that they are heroes first getting ready for an impossible challenge. Them being men is farther than secondary to the scene. Probably the only consideration in who they are is that it's the Avengers trinity, equivalent to Justice League's Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman. They are THE Avengers, for all intents and purposes.

For the woman, the intent is 100% to show that the woman are together, it's a sludge hammer to our heads, not subtle at all, with them being heroes and up against a challenge unfortunately secondary.

Add to that how forced it is that the truly awe-inspiring Captain Marvel doesn’t need their help, let alone powerhouses like or Hulk or Thor really, adds to how forced it is. Only Scarlet Witch is in her league. Something we all know. Not because she's a woman. But because she simply is.
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Yeah, Scarlet Witch should get her own movie. There's so much they could do with her. I know she's getting a TV show, but the TV shows tend to be light on the special effects, so I don't feel it will do her justice.

Good analogy with the trinities. I didn't think of that.
 
Agony_Boothb said:
... I just think a lot of the nuance of Thor's situation got overshadowed by the fat suit and big lebowski jokes. Hemsworth does pain REALLY well and I think it was just a missed opportunity to let that shine through.
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And let's face it. Who among us hasn't resorted to alcohol and empty carbohydrates for, erm, a little too long, to get through a rough patch?
 
Awesome Possum said:
I don’t know, they’ve been setting up and teasing an Avengers Assemble scene for years.
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No kidding. We had actually seen the Avengers "assemble", going back to the first movie. No one really cared about that. Everyone was waiting to hear Avengers Assemble! I didn't even notice the actual positions of the characters after I heard one of the most iconic and long awaited catchphrases in comics and MCU history.
 
bigglesworth said:
Maybe it's one of her abilities...

Thor can summon lightning. Loki can create illusions. Maybe Valkyrie can summon a pegasus.:shrug:
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She's bi, all bisexual women can summon at least one pegasus at a time. We rarely do it because they're extremely difficult to housebreak and they eat a lot, like 20 horses with the munchies.
ITDUDE said:
Demand Captain Marvel is Played By a Woman of Color, Not Brie Larson!
I say, why not :techman:
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Why not make it easier and just add another a woman of color and she teams up with Brie's Captain Marvel. They've already set up Proton and it's heavily implied that her mother and Marvel were a couple, she'd essentially be her stepdaughter. Her mother was a Captain Marvel in the comics, have her get some comic powers and that makes her younger so they can keep the actress. Then we'd have a Marvel family. Feige has also hinted that Ms. Marvel is coming at some point. There's really no limit to how far we could go and we don't have to listen to whiny manchildren upset at Brie for dumbass reasons.
 
Awesome Possum said:
They've already set up Proton and it's heavily implied that her mother and Marvel were a couple, she'd essentially be her stepdaughter.
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I've seen this suggested elsewhere, and while I think it would've been a cool way to go, I don't think the notion that Carol and Maria were a couple is supported by the performances. In a nutshell: I'd expect a much stronger reaction from someone having the love of their life essentially coming back from the dead after all those years.

That said, either way Carol is/was 100% a second parent to Monica. No question.

And just to be clear since I appreciate what the above may sound like; I'm not opposed to the idea of either Carol or Maria being gay or bi. Just that in this specific instance, I don't buy them as a couple. That read to me much more like an extremely close, non-sexual friendship/surrogate sisters.
 
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M'rk son of Mogh said:
Why is this a feminist thing?
I was actually iterating a lot of my girlfriend's thoughs, at least the ones I agreed with.

She hated the scene more than I did.
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Gov Kodos said:
Gee, a scene with a bunch of women takes up pages and pages of whining from the butthurt.

Funny, how often it's the girlfriend who said it soon comes along when the word feminism pops up.
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I'll equalize this with my wife loved that scene and thought it was a good point of representation that despite being on the nose showed something you rarely seen in movies: women who aren't rivals and can work together without catty or bitchy comments.
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
There are 2 differences:
Intent is number one. The intention of the shot showing the guys is that they are heroes first getting ready for an impossible challenge. Them being men is farther than secondary to the scene. Probably the only consideration in who they are is that it's the Avengers trinity, equivalent to Justice League's Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman. They are THE Avengers, for all intents and purposes.
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...and that's is how the scene was meant to be taken: the "trinity" apart from the rest of the Avengers, but the MCU in general (similar--as you point out--to the relationship Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman play in the JLA/DC overall). Much in the media was made of how each member of this trio would deal with Thanos in what was known to be the last film for RDJ and CE, so they--along with CH, were the only perfect choice in a shot that was the beginning of the end in several ways--for characters and this era of the MCU.
 
Went to a 10:30 showing this morning. That's the fastest 3 hours I've ever sat through, but I think it might have been a little longer had the theater not had power recliners. Only one trip down the hall after the lights came down, about halfway through.

Overall, it's a great end to a great series. Worth every minute.
 
Just got back from seeing the movie. Had a good time, was entertained throughout, didn’t seem to drag and provided all the feels. I laughed, I cried and finally smiled. Well done.

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M'rk son of Mogh said:
Why is this a feminist thing?
I was actually iterating a lot of my girlfriend's thoughs, at least the ones I agreed with.

She hated the scene more than I did.
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You know for a nothing scene and it really was rather dark and inconsequential there's been endless debate (well here) on it. A scene with just one female Avenger gives me as a woman more pride and no it's not Captain Marvel because that too easy. It's Black Widow because she's earned her stripes and the respect.
 
Refuge said:
You know for a nothing scene and it really was rather dark and inconsequential there's been endless debate (well here) on it. A scene with just one female Avenger gives me as a woman more pride and no it's not Captain Marvel because that too easy. It's Black Widow because she's earned her stripes and the respect.
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Scarlet Witch, too. She did better against Thanos than any of the boys single handedly, and I have yet to see a complaint about that. As someone above thread said, give her a movie, too! These characters more than earned it and we'd be there to support it I'm sure.
 
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