Scarlet Witch is complex to say the least... I have grown to really like this character.
Spoilers Avengers: Endgame grade and discussion thread
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If teh interwebz wasn't in a hissy, I might not have even noticed that it was an all-girl scene. It was people coming together for a common goal.
Instead, I saw mortal humans fighting alongside their superpowered teammates.
That's what I got out of it. Fearless commitment. Do what's right, and damn the torpedoes.
Instead, I saw mortal humans fighting alongside their superpowered teammates.
That's what I got out of it. Fearless commitment. Do what's right, and damn the torpedoes.
Went for the second time at an 11:00 morning show. It was still really good and all the emotional beats hit 100%. The first hour plus was really slow though. I enjoyed hearing other peoples reactions for the first time. Still a bunch of cheering when Cap gets Mjolnir and other applause at all the big moments. I just realized I completely forgot to look for Howard the Duck. Viewing three maybe 
Third times a charm!Went for the second time at an 11:00 morning show. It was still really good and all the emotional beats hit 100%. The first hour plus was really slow though. I enjoyed hearing other peoples reactions for the first time. Still a bunch of cheering when Cap gets Mjolnir and other applause at all the big moments. I just realized I completely forgot to look for Howard the Duck. Viewing three maybe
Too right, it was people coming together even when some of them weren't there in the first place
Hey, why let logistics get in the way of a good camera shot.
Too right, it was people coming together even when some of them weren't there in the first place
I had problem of the female characters having a good showing, but I was a little put off by how it was staged, and how they all suddenly gathered up at once in the same spot.
So after the snap, did the world know Thanos blinked out half of humanity or did they think it was the rapture? I'm not sure which one would have the biggest aftereffects.
Either way it'd fuel a lot of religious extremism and MCU could introduce the Universal Church of Truth.
I wasn't looking for this but stumbled across it randomly and couldn't help but laugh a bit. I have to admit I'll take the movie scene with the women over this if I had to choose:
https://twitter.com/HacktheMovies/status/1125100332000919552
https://twitter.com/HacktheMovies/status/1125100332000919552
Slate podcaster Mike Pesca imagines a humorous radio news round-up of the confusion and misery that must surely follow this film's conclusion:
https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3...387022.mp3
(Endgame report starts at 24:32.)
https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3...387022.mp3
(Endgame report starts at 24:32.)
Yeah, that's kind of the thing the Russos didn't think about, that just everyone coming back after 5 years would actually be worse than if they simply remained gone. It's just a lot to just hand wave and assume that things just went back to normal.
Who said they didn't think of it? Just because they didn't address the deeply complex problems of that situation during the third act and epilogue of a three-hour film doesn't mean they didnt think about it.
The real question is whether future films (and maybe shows) will address those issues.
The real question is whether future films (and maybe shows) will address those issues.
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Story-wise, getting everyone back, or almost everyone, is the end of a story. The fallout from getting everyone back is the beginning of another.
Agents of Shield is a real missed opportunity to pick u right after Endgame and deal with those minutiae that a 2 hour(or 3 hour) film isn't going to.
Inheritance issues. Housing issues. Even just ID issues.
Peter is by date of birth old enough to buy liquor. So everyone who was snapped will need a new ID so gling forward either snapped people get something indicating they were "returned"
The school year issues for kids (i mentioned this about Far From Home). I doubt it was 5 years EXACTLY. So if they were erased in January and returned in May 5 yeard later that is a substantial school year time missed to put them in classes with unsnapped.
Then there are political ramifications. There is no idea how the snapture determined who to erase, but if it worked based on population density it is possible urban areas got hit worse than rural.
Then you have political fallout. World leaders were snapped. What happened in North Korea if Kim Jong Il was removed? What happened in theocratic countries when not God, but a supervillain wiped out half the people?
Some of this stuff prob wouldn't fall under Agents of Shield, but some would or could get a mention. Shame Disney+ hadn't been ready to roll out a MCU show to take advantage either
I think my biggest complaint can be summed up as: it was too short. A lot of character elements and plotting were short-changed by the shortness.
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Add to this the overall feeling of "Meh," and I have a hard time giving it an "A." As a lollapalooza extravaganza it's exceptional, so it earns "A-." I'm sure I'll eventually rewatch it multiple times on the tube.
P.S. Apologies if I'm raising any issues that have been worn out by now. But I just saw the film, and I'm not able to read through all 50 pages before posting!
Your comments resonated. It was a bit of a hot mess that way. It had a kind of wrap-it-up-and-make-it-quick-wait-now-slow-down-so-it-doesn't-seem-contrived-now-hurry-up-and-go plotting style that was really annoying to me. I've found I'm a bit of an outlier, though. I don't know that I'll re-watch it, as much as I love Marvel. Also, I heard the French Narrator in my head when it played 'five years later,' and I hope I'm not the only one.
It’s like Starbucks cup on Games of Thrones, blink and you miss it. Atleast here hopefully he won’t be erased from future viewings... maybeWent for the second time at an 11:00 morning show. It was still really good and all the emotional beats hit 100%. The first hour plus was really slow though. I enjoyed hearing other peoples reactions for the first time. Still a bunch of cheering when Cap gets Mjolnir and other applause at all the big moments. I just realized I completely forgot to look for Howard the Duck. Viewing three maybe
Spider-Man: Far From Home is going to deal with it.
Honestly, I think the shows will address it in the same way they've addressed the events of 'Avengers' in the past. That is: mostly in passing and not in any serious detail because they have their own stories to tell.
Production realities mean shows aren't able to react quickly to this sort of thing and by the time they can, it's kind of irrelevant.
The only time this has been done at all effectively cross-media was the AoS/CAtWS intersection back during season 1 and even that it was something of a special case. Since then the TV and movie departments have been effectively separated so they're less able than ever to pull this off.
I don't believe you.
Yeah, that's mostly a BS excuse, because movies take much longer to make than TV series, so while it'd indeed be difficult for the movies to feature TV characters, it really shouldn't be that hard for, say, AoS to work in movie character cameos... as evidenced by the fact they did just that several times.
in this particular case, however, that excuse doesn't wash at all. Infinity War/Endgame were filmed back-to-back two years ago, meaning that the major story beats, if not entirely finalized scripts, would have been locked down even before that. The AoS S6/7 renewal, OTOH, was made a year ago. So, the AoS showrunners knew from the very start of their writing process that the Snap wouldn't be simply undone, and that there'd be a five-year time jump by the end of Endgame. Instead of laying off half the cast and diving into the details of the post-Snap world, then, they made a clear choice to diverge entirely. It's an understandable decision, especially given the TV/Movies behind-the-scenes divergence, but it's got nothing to do with production schedules.