Good point about Paul Blackthorne, I hadn't noticed he wasn't in a few eps, because he isn't gone for a stretch. I'm glad he'll be back though.
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Good point about Paul Blackthorne, I hadn't noticed he wasn't in a few eps, because he isn't gone for a stretch. I'm glad he'll be back though.
I also forgot about Blackthorne. Granted he is the adult character on the show and usually on shows where your going for a young audience the "Mom or Dad" type isn't always expected to be a huge part of the action. As much as I like Joe on "The Flash"he is their less to be a cop than just to be a cool dad to Barry and Iris.
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I've never understood the perception that the Arrowverse shows aren't about adults. The only regulars in any of the four shows who were ever teenagers were Thea (who turned 18 midway through season 1 of Arrow) and Wally West (who was 19 when he debuted on The Flash, I think). Pretty much everyone else has always been in their mid-20s to early 50s, up to 60s for Martin Stein.
And don't forget, for the first couple of seasons, Moira Queen was at least as prominent a lead character as Quentin Lance was. And Malcolm Merlyn was a key recurring character for years. And heck, between Quentin, Diggle, Oliver, Felicity, and Rene, more than half the current regular cast consists of parents. Not to mention the major guest characters whose arcs have been driven by parenthood, like Cayden James and Slade Wilson. The action has never been more driven by "Mom or Dad types" than it is this season.
I agree it's more of perception thing than reality but I guess it just goes with the territory of being on the CW where you sort of expect teen stuff. Toss in the fact it's a comic book show and you can see how that mindset is formed.
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Why, though? They don't really have that many "teen" shows. The only teen-centric shows in their current lineup are The 100 and Riverdale. Otherwise, their lineup is dominated by the DC superhero shows, which are all centered on adults, and Supernatural, whose leads are in their upper 30s now. Plus The Vampire Diaries and its spinoff, whose lead characters are supposedly centuries old. I guess they've had a number of teen-centric shows in the past, like Gossip Girl, the 90210 remake, and The Tomorrow People and Star-Crossed, but I wouldn't say their lineup has ever been dominated by such shows. So I'm puzzled where this perception came from.
Besides, even if an expectation exists, it doesn't make sense for that preconception to overwrite the obvious facts. If you actually watch the Arrowverse shows, they are unambiguously about adults. Reality should outweigh expectation, not the other way around.
Willa Holland was MIA for a number of eps too which lead to speculation on whether she was leaving.
At the end of they day it comes down to how many eps the actor is scheduled for.
Being credited as main cast doesn't mean appearing in all eps for season but that you're appearing in a certain number (think it used to be more than 7).
I wouldn't exactly call The 100 a teen-centric show even...
I'm half way through season 4. So far, it's not too bad. About where season 3 was, but I know season 4 takes a nosedive once the focus on HIVE's plan ramps up and the Andy subplot take center stage. Oh, and the Ollicity break up, baby mama drama and Laurel dying.
I'm going to power through it and make it to season 5 by Wednesday. No doubt.
I'm going to power through it and make it to season 5 by Wednesday. No doubt.
Production news: Co-showrunner Wendy Mericle is leaving Arrow after this season, and its other co-showrunner Marc Guggenheim is stepping back to executive consultant on both Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow (leaving Phil Klemmer as sole showrunner on LoT). Beth Schwartz, who started as a writer's assistant on season 1 of Arrow and has risen through the ranks over the years, will inherit the showrunner mantle. All the other Arrowverse showrunners are remaining.
http://deadline.com/2018/04/arrow-b...sultant-arrow-legends-of-tomorrow-1202366373/
"Executive consultant" usually means a former showrunner/creator who's no longer on staff but keeps a producer title. It can be just honorary, but it can also mean that they stay on call and provide advice and input to the staff on request.
http://deadline.com/2018/04/arrow-b...sultant-arrow-legends-of-tomorrow-1202366373/
"Executive consultant" usually means a former showrunner/creator who's no longer on staff but keeps a producer title. It can be just honorary, but it can also mean that they stay on call and provide advice and input to the staff on request.
I'm episode 19 of season 4 (where Laurel is stabbed), and I noticed team Arrow reassembled the Khushu idol, before Merlyn stole it for Darkh.
Question is, why? Sure they took a piece out of it, but why enact the labor of putting it back together at all, after Vixen broke it into several pieces?
Plot or PIS?
Question is, why? Sure they took a piece out of it, but why enact the labor of putting it back together at all, after Vixen broke it into several pieces?
Plot or PIS?
Well I certainly think Arrow could do with a fresh perspective and I hope they use this opportunity to revamp the show a bit, but I seem to recall some talk by Mericle and Guggenheim about how they already had plans for season 7 before this one started. So will Schwartz follow those plans, or does that get thrown out now?
Well I certainly think Arrow could do with a fresh perspective and I hope they use this opportunity to revamp the show a bit, but I seem to recall some talk by Mericle and Guggenheim about how they already had plans for season 7 before this one started. So will Schwartz follow those plans, or does that get thrown out now?
Well, since Schwartz is being promoted from within and has been an integral part of the staff making those plans, I'd expect it wouldn't be a clean break, but the execution and emphasis could be different.
I just finished season 5 for the first time and I don't know whether this season was better than four or not.
The return to street level threats was nice. Also, following up with the consequences of S1 Ollie's murder spree.
Plus the new team Arrow had some nice moves and interplay.
However, there were way too many new faces and a number of them fell off the map mid-way through the season. Also, the Prometheus thing was stretched out a lot longer than it needed to be. I imagine TPTB saw how successful Punisher was received in DD season 2 (which aired opposite Arrow s4), so they added Vigilante to this season. However they didn't use him to his full potential.
This season should've been split between the two. 11 episodes for Prometheus and 11 for Vigilante. Add 1 episode for the cross over. Both Vigilante and Prometheus demonstrating the bad sides of season 1 Ollie's actions. Vigilante = Clone actions of his inspiration (the hood) and Prometheus = Evil clone of the hero.
The return to street level threats was nice. Also, following up with the consequences of S1 Ollie's murder spree.
Plus the new team Arrow had some nice moves and interplay.
However, there were way too many new faces and a number of them fell off the map mid-way through the season. Also, the Prometheus thing was stretched out a lot longer than it needed to be. I imagine TPTB saw how successful Punisher was received in DD season 2 (which aired opposite Arrow s4), so they added Vigilante to this season. However they didn't use him to his full potential.
This season should've been split between the two. 11 episodes for Prometheus and 11 for Vigilante. Add 1 episode for the cross over. Both Vigilante and Prometheus demonstrating the bad sides of season 1 Ollie's actions. Vigilante = Clone actions of his inspiration (the hood) and Prometheus = Evil clone of the hero.
So, the most interesting and involving episode in recent memory, and the regulars were barely in it. Coincidence?
Interesting to get a whole episode focusing on the villain (and Felicity & Curtis) and giving Oliver only one scene. Naturally it had a lot of violence, but it was surprising how much of this episode about a murderous crime boss was spent on quiet, thoughtful conversation and introspection. It was a great opportunity to watch Kirk Acevedo at work. He's a rather compelling actor, and it's nice to see him playing more of Diaz's facets.
Meanwhile, it looks like Black Siren was having some twinges of conscience about Diaz's ultraviolence. She didn't try to stop him, and she participated in a fair amount of it, but her heart doesn't seem to be in it. So maybe there's still hope for her to break away from him.
I was wondering whether Bludhaven had been established in the Arrowverse before. Apparently it's been mentioned often in Arrow (and twice in The Flash), but hasn't actually been visited on-camera since season 1.
Meanwhile, it looks like Black Siren was having some twinges of conscience about Diaz's ultraviolence. She didn't try to stop him, and she participated in a fair amount of it, but her heart doesn't seem to be in it. So maybe there's still hope for her to break away from him.
I was wondering whether Bludhaven had been established in the Arrowverse before. Apparently it's been mentioned often in Arrow (and twice in The Flash), but hasn't actually been visited on-camera since season 1.
Maybe Amell got to on vacation with the family that week
It was a great episode but it was needed a lot sooner in the season. This is a perfect example of why long seasons no longer work. Just think if this was done a few episodes after Cayden James was killed and then the season was built around that. Makes me wish that civil war arc didn't happen.
I'm not so sure. I think it needed to be here because of Black Siren. I doubt Laurel-2 would've shown that kind of squeamishness and doubt about Diaz's methods before the last few weeks in which she's been living with Quentin and encouraged to reform. She may think she's just being a double agent, but I think their positive influence is having an effect on her and she's on the verge of changing sides. In order to set that up, her exposure to Diaz's brutal excesses had to come now instead of earlier.
WOW. Diaz was absolutely brutal. Shooting and beating up henchmen is one thing, that's par for the course, but using the son of the Quadrant's leader as a suicide bomber against his will and then the last scene where he sets the guy on fire was incredibly violent. Even Laurel winced a few times at the extreme violence.
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