Yeah kind of like that.
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Yeah kind of like that.
Didn't they already do something like that a few seasons ago, when Roy took the fall for "the Arrow"'s crimes? It'd feel a bit repetitive.
Ah, I see what you mean. Like someone else said, like in The Dark Knight. Interesting...
A pretty effective episode in terms of writing and direction, but I don't quite get the conclusion it led to. How does Ollie realizing that John was right about him spreading himself too thin lead him to conclude that the way to solve it is to deprive himself of any support system? If anything, the logical conclusion is that he needs to hand the hood over to Diggle and refocus on his family and his mayoral job.
And why would he think that going back to the way he started this was any good? When he started this, he was a cold-blooded killer whose only focus was to check off names on a hit list. It wasn't until he started working with Diggle and Felicity that he began to realize there was something bigger and better to fight for. So the logic behind the idea that his original methods (even without the murderiness) can help him with his current mission eludes me.
And why would he think that going back to the way he started this was any good? When he started this, he was a cold-blooded killer whose only focus was to check off names on a hit list. It wasn't until he started working with Diggle and Felicity that he began to realize there was something bigger and better to fight for. So the logic behind the idea that his original methods (even without the murderiness) can help him with his current mission eludes me.
This show stopped making logical sense years ago.
At this point, the writers and producers are just spinning their wheels creating forced manufactured soap drama, whether it makes sense or not.
No surprise Arrow ratings are in the toilet.
At this point, the writers and producers are just spinning their wheels creating forced manufactured soap drama, whether it makes sense or not.
No surprise Arrow ratings are in the toilet.
^Well, that's harsh. The past two episodes have been quite strong in the acting and writing. I rewatched last week's episode this afternoon, and the Oliver-John confrontation was a tour de force from both actors, especially Ramsey. I just have some questions about the plot logic, that's all.
I just hope there's a payoff wherever this is going.
Caught up with the last two episodes. I was mildly annoyed after the first one with yet another contrived reason for someone(in this case Diggle) to be mad at Oliver and leave him. The complaining that Oliver is spreading himself too thin would be more valid if it wasn't coming from someone who's a husband, a father and a vigilante himself, and chastising him for making "bad decisions" in situations where all choices were bad was unfair. It's especially irksome after watching the very fanciful Legends and the very grounded Black Lightning both handle this sort of thing so much better.
But then this latest episode was pretty freaking good, probably the best episode of the season, almost good enough to redeem the rather poor setup leading up to it this season.
This will probably end with the eventual realization that "teamwork is nice", but I do hope Oliver's solo act lasts slightly longer than Diggle's stint as Green Arrow.
I'm cautiously optimistic for the final episodes of the season, the only worrying thing is this episode reminded me that Prometheus was so much better and a way more menacing villain than Diaz. Ricky may control the entire city, but he really needs to step up his game...
But then this latest episode was pretty freaking good, probably the best episode of the season, almost good enough to redeem the rather poor setup leading up to it this season.
This will probably end with the eventual realization that "teamwork is nice", but I do hope Oliver's solo act lasts slightly longer than Diggle's stint as Green Arrow.
I'm cautiously optimistic for the final episodes of the season, the only worrying thing is this episode reminded me that Prometheus was so much better and a way more menacing villain than Diaz. Ricky may control the entire city, but he really needs to step up his game...
The key difference there, though, is that Diggle is not a leader. It's Oliver's leadership that John thinks is suffering. Also, Diggle isn't the mayor of a major city. That by itself is a full-time responsibility, and it makes sense that someone trying to be that and a superhero at the same time is going to be stretched impossibly thin.
Writing-wise, maybe, but I find Kirk Acevedo a more compelling actor than Josh Segarra.
I've really enjoyed this season. I've liked most seasons to be honest. I liked how we have had multiple bad guys this year and watching Team Arrow implode has been fun and frankly I enjoy the current supporting cast better than I did when Speedy and Rory were on the team or even Sara who to me really took off when she joined "Legends of Tommorow." Was never much fun of original Laurel as well. Out of the old cast the three I mss most is Malcolm Meryln,Moira Queen and Tommy.
Jason
Jason
I hope this last episode is a shape of things to come for the new season of Arrow, as in trimming the cast and really going back to the basics of why Oliver became Arrow in the beginning. I'm not sure pushing everyone away is the right thing, but there was an energy and grittiness feel to this last episode that I haven't felt all season long. Maybe it was the return of Adrian, or the show reaching back into it's own history for inspiration (I would have loved to see Moira again) but this was the best episode of the season. I still think Diaz is the weakest villian so far (So his endgame is to open up Star City as a drug shipment city? That seems so small and basic compared to something like The Undertaking or the League of Assassins taking over) but this episode finally pushed a lot of things forward and it did have a Season 5 feel in terms of urgency.
I still think that's an odd direction to go, because the idea was that Oliver was on the wrong path in the beginning. Arrow was basically conceived as an extended Batman Begins-style origin story, showing how Ollie gradually evolved from a vengeful vigilante in a hood and greasepaint to a full-fledged superhero called the Green Arrow. It seems to undermine the whole arc of the series to suddenly turn around and present his original "mission" as something he should aspire to, rather than a crude first draft that he's long since outgrown.
I mean, sure, presumably when Ollie talks about going back to basics, he's not talking about becoming a serial killer once again -- presumably he's still on a mission to protect the city and its people, but he just thinks he should do it alone. But like I said, that doesn't make sense, since there'd be no Green Arrow without the guiding influence of John, Felicity, Laurel, Thea, and Barry.
Oh, speaking of which -- pretty much all of Team Arrow's equipment these days comes courtesy of Cisco Ramon. So if Ollie's cutting himself off from team support, does that mean no more Cisco costumes and gadgets?
I can see Ollie going at it alone only to find him at first trying to still be "The Green Arrow" but the more isolated he becomes the more he starts to revert back to just being a killer and he finds he needs his support system back. I think John will eventually join Curtis,Rene and Dinah and maybe become the leader of the group because a lack of leadership seems to be a issue with them. Their doesn't seem to be that one singular voice that everyone sort of looks to. It's more of group thing and i'm not sure if team can function that way.
Jason
Jason
It seemed to me, from what little we got to see, that Curtis was unofficially the leader, the main decision-maker and the senior team member, though he tried to lead through consensus. But yeah, I could see Diggle joining their team, so long as they were willing to forgive him for going along with Oliver's betrayal of them.
Part of me is wondering if they might be setting up a spin-off with Diggle and maybe a future replacement for "Arrow" where you can still have a Arrowverse show about a hero without super powers. I've kind of liked this idea in my head of a show about Diggle and his wife working at Argus. I guess that would be a "Agents of Shield" type of show but since I like that show I would watch it.
Jason
Jason
So, I asked this before, but perhaps it really is mystery....
What happened to Rick Gonzalez? We haven't seen the actor for a while now. I know what's going on with the character, but usually when a character is down and out for a while, we still see the character in the show, trying to get back on his/her feet. Did something happen to him? And I mean the actor, not the character.
What happened to Rick Gonzalez? We haven't seen the actor for a while now. I know what's going on with the character, but usually when a character is down and out for a while, we still see the character in the show, trying to get back on his/her feet. Did something happen to him? And I mean the actor, not the character.
I've wondered this as well. I'm not even sure if that was the actor wearing the mask in the hospital bed. Why would they hide the actor's face in that scene? This show isn't like "Smallviille" were main actors would miss multiple episodes for the most part. Thea has been absent alot and I think that was because the actress wanted to leave.
Jason
No, he'll be back in a couple of weeks. I assume he just had some other gig that required his absence for a few weeks. He's only missed three episodes so far and been heard in voiceover in one. So he hasn't been gone that long. Paul Blackthorne has also missed four episodes out of 18 so far this season, just not all at once, and Willa Holland and Katie Cassidy have only been semi-regulars, respectively appearing in 10 and 11 episodes so far.
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