3D Master said:
indranee said:
3D Master said:
MistleTBonz said:
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Actually, I dislike TNG for the way women were portrayed. Why? It was made later in time than TOS and so attitudes should have been different.
But the women (Crusher/Troi) were very...ugh..stereotypic. "Feeling" Troi. "Mother" Crusher.
I specifically remember one scene in "The Host" where they were dressed in 1980s gym togs (pulling me right out of the scene/show) and Beverly was burbling on about her torrid love affair with the trill guy. The whole thing just screamed "stereotyped chick talk."
I didn't feel that way about DS9, which had women who truly were equal, or Voyager, in spite of Janeway being written poorly.
I refer you to Tasha Yar. And you're mixing your episodes. It was the episode "The Price", about the wormhole and Troi's affair with one of the negotiatiors that they were in the gym. I don't think Troi and Crusher ever talked about the Trill guy. Crusher however was getting a manicure with Troi present and talked about Crusher's ghost lover.
Finally, this is the whole "equal is the same" fallacy again. Troi and Crusher were 100% equal to the men, hell they were both full commanders by the end of the show and were regularly in command of the ship when Riker and Picard were off duty/sleeping. They just weren't the same, and men and women just aren't the same.
Tasha was quickly "done away with". rather unceremiously, I might add.
Tasha Yar was not "done away with". The actress wanted to quit to go to other pastures. They allowed her to go. If the actress hadn't wanted to go, she'd still be part of the Enterprise crew today.
and Troi, well, the less said about her "command abilities" the better. IMO, that whole command exam/qualification thing was a running writer's gag.
let's face it, Star Trek has always teetered on the edge of male chauvanism. it's always been an old boys' club. why do you think MOST of TPTB on pretty much all of the series are men? you count the main (not freelance) women writers/producers with two fingers: Dorothy (D.C.) Fontana and Jeri Taylor.
Really? Picard regularly got orders from female Admirals, seems plenty of Powers That Be, who are usually those above our resident heroes, are women. In fact, the MAIN admiral that Picard dealt with was a woman: Admiral Necheyev(a).
The thing is, that why the command staff are predominantly males has nothing to do with ST being a boys club, it's all got to with the times its made him, just like the original. See if you can find a female captain in navy now, or even many command staf women. They are tiny. ST in that regard is quite forward, there are still a lot more female characters in the 24th century navy than in the contemporary one.
The problem really has nothing to do with ST being a boys club, it's with the PTB not willing to take any risks, not even tiny little ones. An equal female presence on the bridge as the contemporary navy doesn't have much of it, is one of thse problems. We're probably even lucky that Janeway became a woman, originally they tested both men and women for the captain's role, they had not locked it in yet. Of course this not willing to take any risks on the PTB's side was, and possibly is, the BIGGEST problem with Star Trek in the last decade and a half to two decades. Instead of a fresh new show, that would be ahead of its time as Voyager's original conception was, and an Enterprise that could at least be fresh for ST and within its times, they kept regurgitating the exact same now tired old formula over and over again.
No matter how much of a problem it is, this however, has nothing to do with chauvenism.
funny, when DS9 was first on, for a wild moment I'd thought that Rene Echeverria was a woman LOL.
Then his name would have been Renee. And his family name is Auberjonois.
-- RR
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