Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
I bet it would be only marginally safer. I'll bet too many Canadians think it was an inside job too.
Anyone here think the moon landings were faked?
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I bet it would be only marginally safer. I'll bet too many Canadians think it was an inside job too.
Most of those probably don't, but they replied with "Yeah, sure." for the heck of it.
It's like when people get asked if they believe Earth is a flat disc.
[House]Everybody Lies. Even Statistics[/House]
Based on nothing more concrete than the idiots I've bumped into in recent years, that rings depressingly true.
I'm wondering what kind of political consequences those truthers are drawing from their conviction, if any. I mean, a government staging a gigantic terror attack killing thousands of its citizens, causing countless billions of dollars in damage and starting multiple foreign wars as a result that cost even more thousands of lives and trillions of dollars is kind of a big deal, isn't it? Considering that, those 27% are pretty quiet. I would be fucking angry if I believed that.
I read a psychological paper once about conspiracy theories. It's the result of some people having a problem with facing reality. It's a form of escapism, so to speak. Your brain can't comprehend what happened, so you invent a conspiracy theory in your mind to make sense of it all. Some things just don't make sense because you don't know all the facts. And some decisions simply don't make sense because, yeah well, humans made them. And your mind doesn't like it when things don't make sense, especially when it has a huge emotional impact.
Someone who suddenly commits suicide for no apparent reason just must have been murdered, for example.
9/11 must have been an inside job. The Twin Towers were brought down by additional explosive charges. The Pentagon was hit by a missile. There was no flight UA 93. Etc...
Kennedy's assassination was a CIA plot.
And so on.
It's when the notions "someone must be to blame" and "if it's too obvious it can't be right" get together. It's also the dangerous mix of "common sense" with "half knowledge".
Someone who suddenly commits suicide for no apparent reason just must have been murdered, for example.
9/11 must have been an inside job. The Twin Towers were brought down by additional explosive charges. The Pentagon was hit by a missile. There was no flight UA 93. Etc...
Kennedy's assassination was a CIA plot.
And so on.
It's when the notions "someone must be to blame" and "if it's too obvious it can't be right" get together. It's also the dangerous mix of "common sense" with "half knowledge".
jcourtenay
Ensign
yea they were probly filmed in the sahara desert or something, wouldnt be surprised at all
I just read recently that there are 3,500 members in the Flat Earth Society.
I tend to place conspiracy theorists in the same area as alien abduction 'victims'. People are just attracted to something more glamorous than reality.
A bunch of dumb muslims are manipulated into hijacking four aircraft and causing mass destruction? Can't possibly be true. Airport security isn't that lax. It can't be that easy. It can't possibly be that easy. The reality of course is that some things are much easier ONE TIME than ever again. There are countless examples, especially in wartime, of how a few people did something audacious but somehow because it was American planes flying into American buildings? It couldn't be that easy. The alternative is much more glamorous.
Same with the Moon landings, although more tricky because there were multiple landings. Ignore the decades of work that built up to them. Pick one and say it couldn't possibly be that easy. The alternative is much more glamorous.
A bunch of dumb muslims are manipulated into hijacking four aircraft and causing mass destruction? Can't possibly be true. Airport security isn't that lax. It can't be that easy. It can't possibly be that easy. The reality of course is that some things are much easier ONE TIME than ever again. There are countless examples, especially in wartime, of how a few people did something audacious but somehow because it was American planes flying into American buildings? It couldn't be that easy. The alternative is much more glamorous.
Same with the Moon landings, although more tricky because there were multiple landings. Ignore the decades of work that built up to them. Pick one and say it couldn't possibly be that easy. The alternative is much more glamorous.
I hypothesize that many of those members don't for one second believe in a flat earth. It's a joke and they are in on it. That's how I sleep well at night knowing that 3,500 human beings are actual members of a "Flat Earth Society".
Also, conspiracy theorists like to pat themselves on the back for being clever enough to suss out THE TRUTH. We thickos simply believe what we're told, see. Unlike those clever, clever conspiracy theorists.
My Dad is a hardcore 9/11 truther. He is one of the most brilliant people I know, but for fuck's sake, he believes that crap completely. If you come up with ANY evidence whatsoever that debunks the conspiracy, well, you're just a rube who believes the government's official line. We had a huge argument about it the other day. Ugh.
I don't believe the moon landings were faked, I don't believe that 9/11 was a secret plot by our government, but I do think there was more to JFK's murder than what was reported in the Warren Commission. I don't think it was a large governement conspiracy like as was portrayed in the stone movie, but I do think there was a second gunman. Too many witnesses said that they heard shots coming from the grassy knoll. There's no way that Oswald could get off three shots with the type of weapon he had in the time alloted and there is no way that one bullet could create all those wounds.I think the commission already had their minds made up to oswald's guilt before the investigation and their sloppiness has helped fuel the conspiracy theorists.
This has been debunked, it's possible for even a mildly skilled gunman to do this.
It's called a ricochete.
I found a fascinating special on YouTube about who they think really killed JFK, and they got compelling evidence.
They even showed what I had never seen before, because television specials I had seen always censored it: JFK's head actually gitting hit with the bullet and blowing up. It;'s not at the angle or area where the reports aid he was hit, and his head, afterward where it was struck, looked nothing like the photo.
"The Men Who Killed Kennedy"
and it doesn't involve aliens.
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
There's even a wacky theory that the bloody driver of the limo JFK was in turned around and shot him!!!
I'm not kidding.
I'm not kidding.
Honestly, with the amount of studies related to the Kennedy assassination and really crappy evidence that is easily debunked that suggests otherwise (such as the audiotape with the car backfire people thought was gunfire), I think it's easier to be a 9/11 truther.
Even witness testimony is useless at this point. Provided that they were actually there, people remember many things they've backfilled from other sources. It's why witnesses are so unreliable. Justice Stevens said he remembers Babe Ruth calling the famous homerun shot. Even Babe Ruth apparently admitted he did no such thing (although he liked to say he did because he liked drama).
Even witness testimony is useless at this point. Provided that they were actually there, people remember many things they've backfilled from other sources. It's why witnesses are so unreliable. Justice Stevens said he remembers Babe Ruth calling the famous homerun shot. Even Babe Ruth apparently admitted he did no such thing (although he liked to say he did because he liked drama).
J
Jetfire
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And Oswald was much more than mildly skilled...he was a crack shot. Easy shot for him to make.
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