There's also no dramatic tension in them standing around and stating how long it is going to take to get somewhere.
Anyone else have a problem with the speed of the new Enterprise?
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There's also no dramatic tension in them standing around and stating how long it is going to take to get somewhere.
What conclusive markers?
No.
In universe, I believe this Starfleet has somehow come across slipstream technology. Yet, is still geared towards traditional warp speed. It's possible that only the Enterprise and the Vengeance have the newest technology.
It could take decades for starship design and mission parameters to catch up to the slipstream tech.
That's my bullshit rationalization for the day.
And it is a pretty good one.
I think he means how McCoy says "at least we're moving again" after Kirk orders Sulu to go into warp. McCoy's words indicate that only a very short time had passed since they went into warp. After McCoy said that, Khan warned the Enterprise about the Vengeance catching up and a few shots later, BOOM, they're at Earth.
I actually really like that idea. It works well within the parameters of the movie. In the first one, their journey to Vulcan seemed way shorter than their journey back, so they could have used the insane speeds once since Vulcan was in an emergency, but were forced to used slower warp speeds back even though Earth was in danger. That gave them plenty of time to plan as seen in the movie.
In Star Trek Into Darkness, the journey to Qo'noS seemed to be much longer than the journey back. Remember when they were stranded near Qo'noS, it was said that they still had "20 minutes" left, implying that the total journey was a few hours at least. When escaping Marcus, Kirk could have ordered the insanely fast, one-time speed.
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There should have been a scene like this:
SPOCK: Jim, Khan is attacking Earth.
KIRK: Sulu! Set a course. Maximum warp.
SULU: Aye, Sir.
KIRK: Punch it.
CUT TO: Kirk sitting in the captain's chair passing the travel time by playing Angry Birds on the viewscreen.
SPOCK: Jim, Khan is attacking Earth.
KIRK: Sulu! Set a course. Maximum warp.
SULU: Aye, Sir.
KIRK: Punch it.
CUT TO: Kirk sitting in the captain's chair passing the travel time by playing Angry Birds on the viewscreen.
Despite any unrealistic ETAs, these two Star Trek movies have done the best work of any Trek preceding them - series or movie - of showing movement of the ships through space (or atmosphere), among other ships and objects, and giving them a fantastic sense of massive realism and inertia.
FTFY
Is that what these buttons are for?
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That is hyperbole. I never implied that was the right course either. The changes required to make things not seem ridiculously fast in terms of travel times is a matter of one or two lines of dialogue and slightly reducing the jarring nature of the editing between taking off, traveling, and arriving. Just slightly.
The fleet being in the Laurentian system means nothing dramatically in a universe where warp gets you from Earth to Kronos inside of five minutes.
Yes, but also the simple fact that I very much Marcus sat their with his hands crossed going "Ah... Well, that kinda sucks." As the Vengeance just idled on the Neutral Zone. He was on a mission to murder the Enterprise crew, he wasn't going to waste any amount of time the moment the Enterprise went to warp he had his people come about and chase them down.
It does if no one can contact them to let them know Earth is under attack.
I think everyone needs to relax.
This is a series of three movies where warp speed happens to have advanced much more quickly than in the Prime timeline. People say they want things to be different, but then complain when the creative team doesn't adhere to what they think warp speed should be.
This is a series of three movies where warp speed happens to have advanced much more quickly than in the Prime timeline. People say they want things to be different, but then complain when the creative team doesn't adhere to what they think warp speed should be.
I interpret (rationalize?) the following:
- Kirk says: Punch it.
- Ship jumps to warp.
- McCoy is preparing things in the office for a few hours (off screen).
- McCoy gets to Harrison for his next examination, and says the line.
- Rest basically real time.
It strikes me that McCoy could be expressing himself to make random communication, and it was not necessarily the immediate response it is being interpreted as.
There could be some talk from Marcus immediately before indicating nervousness about being stranded by the Klingon border, and McCoy could be responding to that.
Kinda works both ways, but YMMV.
So to me, the marker was not conclusive.
Think of it this way, the galaxy is HUGE. Say they leave the galaxy, the universe is LOLBIG. So speed doesn't really matter. It's just a number to us. As long as there are places to go, the story works just fine.
No prob at all
While I still hate the skinny secondary hull, the awkward positioning of the connecting dorsal that looks too far back, pushing the secondary hull too far forward under the saucer and budgeneering
It has really grown on me in all other aspects
This Enterprise is bigger faster and techier than Next Gen starships
It's a reboot, the tech gets updated no biggie to me
While I still hate the skinny secondary hull, the awkward positioning of the connecting dorsal that looks too far back, pushing the secondary hull too far forward under the saucer and budgeneering
It has really grown on me in all other aspects
This Enterprise is bigger faster and techier than Next Gen starships
It's a reboot, the tech gets updated no biggie to me
The nu Enterprise looks great from every angle but from broadside on. If you look at her from the side, she just looks odd. Other wise they did a pretty decent job.
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Agreed but me loves me some side shot
Both the tos and TMP prises stunned from the side
Both the tos and TMP prises stunned from the side
Or the 1701-E making it from the Federation/Romulan Neutral Zone to Earth in about 3 hours in "Star Trek: First Contact". (Hell, Picard figured it would be so fast, he ordered Red Alert right before they set course to Earth and engaged warp drive.)
Remember that in the TOS episode "Balance of Terror" the Neutral Zone was so far out in deep space, it was going to take 3 hours for a reply from the nearest command base - which probably WASN'T Earth - to Kirk's first message. (Per dialogue from Janice Rand, Kirk's Yeoman.)
