Am I the only one who loves SGU?

[T'Girl]

Because, like it or not, Rush was an asset.

 

[AJ86]

And also because he was partnered with Wray, the resident humanitarian and de facto civilian representative.

 

[RoJoHen]

That went the other way around, the civilians wanted to take control from the military. For the stupidest of reasons too. The civilians felt they should have been in charge since in civilized countries the military anwers to civilians. Conveniently ignoring that they were hired by the military and signed a contract saying they accepted military authority.

It had to do with the fact that Young was starting to go off the hinges, and that (as far as the civilians know) he left Rush to die on the planet just because they disagreed.

Thing is, no one on the ship (military or civilian) liked Rush and at that point a lot of them were blaming him for stranding them out there. So why would anyone turn on Young for ditching Rush?

Because for most people, it's not okay to murder someone, no matter how much you don't like them.

 

[DWF]

It had to do with the fact that Young was starting to go off the hinges, and that (as far as the civilians know) he left Rush to die on the planet just because they disagreed.

Thing is, no one on the ship (military or civilian) liked Rush and at that point a lot of them were blaming him for stranding them out there. So why would anyone turn on Young for ditching Rush?

Because for most people, it's not okay to murder someone, no matter how much you don't like them.

But Young didn't murder Rush, it was Rush though who framed Young for murder few people knew that part though.

 

[bullethead]

I really disliked SGU. It just didn't feel like a SG series. I only watched about 4 episodes, and everytime I just didn't like it, except for one episode. The soldiers were going against the civilians, trying to take over the ship. The episode wanted you to like the civilians. Personally, I sided with the soldiers, and hoped the civilians got defeated. I'm not even sure why they were against each other (I hadn't seen the episode preceding it) but I just felt that the soldiers were right, and the civilians were wrong. But, besides that episode, every other time I tried to watch thew series, I just got bored.

That went the other way around, the civilians wanted to take control from the military. For the stupidest of reasons too. The civilians felt they should have been in charge since in civilized countries the military anwers to civilians. Conveniently ignoring that they were hired by the military and signed a contract saying they accepted military authority.

I thought it was because the civilians (correctly IMO) thought they should be in charge since they were the ones actually trying to understand, maintain, and take control of the ship they were stuck on, while the military dudes pretty much did nothing except when they stumbled upon a planet. Then the military executed a stupid plan to get them home that nearly blew up the goddamn ship, Col. Young had his bunch of cronies do everything on the ship, and Young left Rush on planet under suspicious circumstances, so it's not surprising that they mutinied.

Of course, the writers ignored the fact that they had people on both the military and civilian side unite in their distrust of their leaders, so the whole black and white, civilian vs military thing didn't really make sense. Especially when Lt. James probably had grounds for relieving Col. Young of command for cutting her completely out of the chain of command.

 

[RoJoHen]

Thing is, no one on the ship (military or civilian) liked Rush and at that point a lot of them were blaming him for stranding them out there. So why would anyone turn on Young for ditching Rush?

Because for most people, it's not okay to murder someone, no matter how much you don't like them.

But Young didn't murder Rush, it was Rush though who framed Young for murder few people knew that part though.

Young abandoned Rush on a planet a bagillion lightyears away from anyone or anything that could save him. Young left him there to die. It's only by some freak coincidence that Rush was "rescued" by the aliens. So yes, while Rush may not have actually died, Young intended to murder him.

 

[AJ86]

Also, when Young found out Rush was aboard the Nakai vessel he ordered it destroyed as quickly and as recklessly as possible, even though Chloe was still aboard. He was trying to cover his tracks.

 

[bullethead]

Also, when Young found out Rush was aboard the Nakai vessel he ordered it destroyed as quickly and as recklessly as possible, even though Chloe was still aboard. He was trying to cover his tracks.

Just curious, where did that name for the Blue Fish Group come from?

 

[The Wormhole]

Yeah, I thought we had settled on Sombreroid? Or rather I had and was forcing it on everyone else.

 

[AJ86]

Also, when Young found out Rush was aboard the Nakai vessel he ordered it destroyed as quickly and as recklessly as possible, even though Chloe was still aboard. He was trying to cover his tracks.

Just curious, where did that name for the Blue Fish Group come from?

The producers I think, probably Mallozzi.

 

[DWF]

Because for most people, it's not okay to murder someone, no matter how much you don't like them.

But Young didn't murder Rush, it was Rush though who framed Young for murder few people knew that part though.

Young abandoned Rush on a planet a bagillion lightyears away from anyone or anything that could save him. Young left him there to die. It's only by some freak coincidence that Rush was "rescued" by the aliens. So yes, while Rush may not have actually died, Young intended to murder him.

A freak coincidence? The aliens had been tracking the ship since the start of the series and the hatch of the ship the helped saved Rush was what he was examining prior to being left there. In the end leaving Rush on the planet worked out for the best, he would later save Chloe and the fact the had framed Young was quietly swept under the rug. Leaving Rush there was a cliffhanger they never would've done the other two series and it was a given that Rush wasn't going to die on that planet, he's just too important to the series for them to allow that to happen.

 

[AJ86]

The ship on the planet was the same Nakai one that we saw leave Destiny in the pilot I believe.

 

[RoJoHen]

But Young didn't murder Rush, it was Rush though who framed Young for murder few people knew that part though.

Young abandoned Rush on a planet a bagillion lightyears away from anyone or anything that could save him. Young left him there to die. It's only by some freak coincidence that Rush was "rescued" by the aliens. So yes, while Rush may not have actually died, Young intended to murder him.

A freak coincidence? The aliens had been tracking the ship since the start of the series and the hatch of the ship the helped saved Rush was what he was examining prior to being left there. In the end leaving Rush on the planet worked out for the best, he would later save Chloe and the fact the had framed Young was quietly swept under the rug. Leaving Rush there was a cliffhanger they never would've done the other two series and it was a given that Rush wasn't going to die on that planet, he's just too important to the series for them to allow that to happen.

But nobody could have known any of that! When Young left Rush on the planet, he planned for Rush to die there. It doesn't matter that it was a cliffhanger or that Chloe would later be captured by aliens. I'm talking about what Young intended to do at the time he abandoned Rush to die.

 

[DWF]

Young abandoned Rush on a planet a bagillion lightyears away from anyone or anything that could save him. Young left him there to die. It's only by some freak coincidence that Rush was "rescued" by the aliens. So yes, while Rush may not have actually died, Young intended to murder him.

A freak coincidence? The aliens had been tracking the ship since the start of the series and the hatch of the ship the helped saved Rush was what he was examining prior to being left there. In the end leaving Rush on the planet worked out for the best, he would later save Chloe and the fact the had framed Young was quietly swept under the rug. Leaving Rush there was a cliffhanger they never would've done the other two series and it was a given that Rush wasn't going to die on that planet, he's just too important to the series for them to allow that to happen.

But nobody could have known any of that! When Young left Rush on the planet, he planned for Rush to die there. It doesn't matter that it was a cliffhanger or that Chloe would later be captured by aliens. I'm talking about what Young intended to do at the time he abandoned Rush to die.

I guess Young could factually prove that Rush framed him for a murder that was in reality a suicide, but Young is in charge and it's not a democracy. I can't really imagine Shep or O'Neill not doing the same thing. And if Rush had obeyed orders from the start none of them would've been on Destiny to begin with.

 

[bullethead]

I guess Young could factually prove that Rush framed him for a murder that was in reality a suicide, but Young is in charge and it's not a democracy. I can't really imagine Shep or O'Neill not doing the same thing. And if Rush had obeyed orders from the start none of them would've been on Destiny to begin with.

Based on Stargate physics seen in both SG-1 and SGU, there's a decent chance that they wouldn't be alive if Rush hadn't dialed the 9th chevron.

 

[DWF]

I guess Young could factually prove that Rush framed him for a murder that was in reality a suicide, but Young is in charge and it's not a democracy. I can't really imagine Shep or O'Neill not doing the same thing. And if Rush had obeyed orders from the start none of them would've been on Destiny to begin with.

Based on Stargate physics seen in both SG-1 and SGU, there's a decent chance that they wouldn't be alive if Rush hadn't dialed the 9th chevron.

We don't know that and in any event it was Eli dialed Destiny not Rush, there's no proof they'd alll be dead if they have dialed earth instead of Destiny.

 

[AJ86]

I guess Young could factually prove that Rush framed him for a murder that was in reality a suicide, but Young is in charge and it's not a democracy. I can't really imagine Shep or O'Neill not doing the same thing. And if Rush had obeyed orders from the start none of them would've been on Destiny to begin with.

Yeah, Young is in charge and it's not a democracy - because Young says so. He basically set up a military dictatorship. It's no wonder there was a mutiny.

 

[The Wormhole]

Young was the commanding officer of Icarus Base and that was no more a democracy than any other military base. Even though Icarus was destroyed and everyone ended up stranded on the ass end of the universe, Young is still the commanding officer, and everyone was still required to obey him as they would on Icarus. And the civilians were always well treated by Young and the military personnel. In fact, Young publically beat the shit out of one his men for picking on a civilian. There was no grounds for a mutiny.

 

[AJ86]

Young was the commanding officer of Icarus Base and that was no more a democracy than any other military base. Even though Icarus was destroyed and everyone ended up stranded on the ass end of the universe, Young is still the commanding officer, and everyone was still required to obey him as they would on Icarus.

Says who? The US military has no jurisdiction on Destiny, something even Young later began to allude to himself.

And the civilians were always well treated by Young and the military personnel. In fact, Young publically beat the shit out of one his men for picking on a civilian. There was no grounds for a mutiny.

He stranded one of them on an alien planet and left him there to die, lied about it, then tried to cover his tracks in such a way that would have killed Chloe too.

 

[The Wormhole]

Young was the commanding officer of Icarus Base and that was no more a democracy than any other military base. Even though Icarus was destroyed and everyone ended up stranded on the ass end of the universe, Young is still the commanding officer, and everyone was still required to obey him as they would on Icarus.

Says who? The US military has no jurisdiction on Destiny, something even Young later began to allude to himself.

Icarus was a US military base, and Young its commanding officer. Though the base is destroyed, and everyone has relocated to a starship, it's mostly the same people there and Young was still their commander. And thanks to the stones, they remained in contact with Earth, General O'Neill and the IOA and no one ever rescinded Young's authority. Except for the episode Earth, but even then, they replaced him with another military officer who stone-swapped in (Telford).