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Spoilers All Things STAR WARS - News, Speculation & Spoilers Thread

Why are people so hung up on the Episode tag?
Because it screws up the sync with the music.

You lot do know it was initially going to be there, and they only pulled it at the 11th hour when the studio kicked up a fuss that it would confuse audiences, right?
That's a myth from the same fellow that told you that he always meant for Greedo to shoot but he framed the shot badly and that he always meant for Jabba to be a big slug even though he moved the camera around in a way that the only way to make that a special effect in 1977 would have been witchcraft.

Should I be demanding that put in bad VHS tracking and half of MFI January advert in the middle of one scene? Because that's what the version I grew up with looked like!
I'm sorry you missed Star Wars.

Ain't no such thing as "the original Star Wars". That movie was a work in progress from the jump, and it never stopped changing from it's premiere, all through it's initial run, to the re-releases, to the TV edit, the VHS remaster, the laser discs, the SEs, the DVDs, blurays, all the way to maclunkey!
Lucas kept tinkering with the sound mix between the May 25th release and the wider mono mix. I'm a mono mix man myself. (It's what's on The Story of Star Wars for one thing.)

But to say that the changes from 1977 to 1993 are even comparable to the changes that were made in 1997 (and 2000 whatever) is silly.

Of course the SE special effects are older now than the original FX were when the SEs came out. So how can we even put up with those video game FX from the mid 90s?

And isn't it really time to re-do Jurassic Park?
 
Ain't no such thing as "the original Star Wars". That movie was a work in progress from the jump, and it never stopped changing from it's premiere, all through it's initial run, to the re-releases, to the TV edit, the VHS remaster, the laser discs, the SEs, the DVDs, blurays, all the way to maclunkey!
That's a dumb take. The original version released in 1977 is the original. You can even say the 1980 version is the original, although I can't remember what differences there were besides "Episode 4".

Everything that came after is no longer an original, but a modification.
 
That's a dumb take. The original version released in 1977 is the original. You can even say the 1980 version is the original, although I can't remember what differences there were besides "Episode 4".

Everything that came after is no longer an original, but a modification.

As I said, there were small changes made even during the initial run. Mark Hamill has often told the anecdote of having a burger with Lucas in LA in the first week of release, across the street from a theater showing Star Wars -- massive line around the block and all -- and Lucas asking him if he's free to come in to record some ADR. Cue Hamill's perplexed expression, gesturing at the queue across the street saying "But George, the movie is out already!"

He was never satisfied with the movie. He released it when he did because he had little choice. That didn't stop him from trying to fix as many little flaws as he could at every opportunity.

What you so ignorantly call "the original version" isn't any such thing. It's just a version of an incomplete work, one of several iterations. It's like being nostalgic for the Mona Lisa when it was still half pencil sketches and a not-quite-right smile, or the Statue of Liberty when it was a headless body being assembled in Paris. The only "original" version of Star Wars is the one that existed in George Lucas's head as he was working his way through the various draft scripts, as he was shooting, and later editing, and as such George is the only one that gets to say when it's done, or as close to done as he can get it. That's the beginning, middle and end of it.
 
As I said, there were small changes made even during the initial run. Mark Hamill has often told the anecdote of having a burger with Lucas in LA in the first week of release, across the street from a theater showing Star Wars -- massive line around the block and all -- and Lucas asking him if he's free to come in to record some ADR. Cue Hamill's perplexed expression, gesturing at the queue across the street saying "But George, the movie is out already!"
You are referring to the changes that were made after the initial small release (32 theaters) in stereo. May 25th, 1977 may be Star Wars Day, but it's not when most people saw it. The much wider release throughout June and July of 1977 had those changes. And as I said, the story record The Story of Star Wars was based on that mix.

What you so ignorantly call "the original version" isn't any such thing. It's just a version of an incomplete work, one of several iterations.
Give me whatever was finished enough to win Oscars. And made Lucas his fortune. And allowed The Empire Strikes Back to be made. Any of those. (Yes, I would prefer the wider release. But anything from 1977.)

It's like being nostalgic for the Mona Lisa when it was still half pencil sketches and a not-quite-right smile, or the Statue of Liberty when it was a headless body being assembled in Paris.
I am definitely nostalgic for the headless Statue of Liberty as it stood in New York Harbor for over a century. If that was a thing. Except it's not.

The only "original" version of Star Wars is the one that existed in George Lucas's head as he was working his way through the various draft scripts, as he was shooting, and later editing, and as such George is the only one that gets to say when it's done, or as close to done as he can get it. That's the beginning, middle and end of it.
While I don't even accept that for Star Wars, I can't accept that for The Empire Strikes Back, and Lucas once testified before the U.S. Congress on film preservation that we cannot accept that for Return of the Jedi because Richard Marquand is dead and had been when the Special Edition of Jedi was made. (Only the original director can alter a film, he said.)

If Lucas was so confident in this vision this wouldn't be an issue. But he isn't. And he knows it.

I wonder if all of this means that the American National Film registry will finally get a copy of Star Wars? For some reason they are insisting on an unfinished Mona Lisa. Weird.
 
He was never satisfied with the movie. He released it when he did because he had little choice. That didn't stop him from trying to fix as many little flaws as he could at every opportunity.
That is a most disingenuous and simply untrue claim... as Lucas chose to ignore fixing many of the issues in the original theatrical cuts - and also those introduced by his own Special Editions alterations over the years - as fan editors can attest to (those who have actually taken the time and effort to fix hundreds of issues.

An example, for the 1997 Special Edition George made alterations to scenes in the Battle Of Yavin...

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...inadvertently making it so the Death Star has been in clear site of Yavin IV from the beginning of the battle since 1997... and the above is how the Special Edition should have ended ;). The scene has remained unfixed in the 2004 SE, 2011SE and 2019SE releases - despite George and Lucasfilm being aware of the mistake / issue. Quite 'a little flaw', no?



To also claim...

"What you so ignorantly call "the original version" isn't any such thing."

is bizarre...

If one walked into a theatrical showing of the 35mm, or 70mm, in mono, or in stereo... back when the OT films were first shown... (slightly different sound, or vocals, or a few shots/scenes), that doesn't mean they did not see 'the original version'. They were all the original version - as released to the public at the time.

From what we’ve seen in the ALI OOT Restoration leaks so far... they are the original 35mm widely release cuts. All 3 OT films have been cleaned up with damage having been removed - yet obviously no visual changes have been made. The original stereo, mono, 70mm magnetic 6-track have all been restored, + plus there will be a new 7.1 DTS Mix (built from the original library) - likely for cinema screenings and home physical media setups. So these are very much the original version that was released to many at the time.

Personally, I hope we also see the '85 mix and '93 mix included on any physical media release as 'audio bonus options' (for those of us that grew up with these on our taped TV broadcasts, official home media tapes, or laserdiscs, CEDs, or VHDs etc - before the release of the 1997 Special Editions and those respective mixes).



Some additional context... when people refer to the 'original version' or 'unaltered theatrical cuts' they are referring to the releases that came before the 1997 Special Editions - to differentiate between the OT before 1997 and 1997 onwards. You are aware of this - it has been pointed out to you a number of times - though for whatever reason you still choose to ignore it and then 'rinse and repeat'.

So again... some people did used to refer to the pre-1997 releases of the OT as 'the theatrical cuts' - though that became a little confusing over time as the 1997 Special Editions were also released in cinemas... so also could be interpreted as 'theatrical cuts' - hence why people then started referring to the pre1997 releases as 'unaltered theatrical version' or 'original version' etc.

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I'm not really interested in seeing the original version of "A New Hope" in theaters. I'm satisfied with the modifications.
 
What you so ignorantly call "the original version" isn't any such thing. It's just a version of an incomplete work, one of several iterations. It's like being nostalgic for the Mona Lisa when it was still half pencil sketches and a not-quite-right smile, or the Statue of Liberty when it was a headless body being assembled in Paris. The only "original" version of Star Wars is the one that existed in George Lucas's head as he was working his way through the various draft scripts, as he was shooting, and later editing, and as such George is the only one that gets to say when it's done, or as close to done as he can get it. That's the beginning, middle and end of it.
What was released in theaters in the 1970's and 80's is the complete original. Anything that came after is not the original, but a modification - hence the "Special Edition" moniker in the 1997 releases.

I'm fine with the SE. It's what I saw in theaters as a kid. But I'd also like to see the FIRST version, before all those changes were made. Which is why it's called - wait for it - THE ORIGINAL
 
Biggs on Tatooine or we riot!
Enough of your Koo Stark fixation.

The only real Star Wars is the film in which Jabba the Hutt is a chubby Irish guy in a fur vest. [*Puffs on pipe filled with death stick content*]
It would be a heck of thing to get the original footage. Keep it the well out of the film, of course.

Since I'm a Marvel kid I still think Jabba might have looked like this:
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wonder if all of this means that the American National Film registry will finally get a copy of Star Wars? For some reason they are insisting on an unfinished Mona Lisa. Weird.
Not if you understand artists.
and also those introduced by his own Special Editions alterations over the years - as fan editors can attest to (those who have actually taken the time and effort to fix hundreds of issues.
Damn. This is why Lucas considers it unfinished. "Hundreds of issues" would drive anyone crazy.

I feel sorry for Lucas. Honestly, would have been better if Star wars wasn't a success for his mental health.
 
I feel sorry for Lucas. Honestly, would have been better if Star wars wasn't a success for his mental health.
Then he would have changed Star Wars as many times as Michael Anderson has changed Logan's Run.

Not if you understand artists.
Meaning there are many films where the director has refused them a copy that they requested? Because... Artists? They have Apocalypse Now, yes? Not Apocalypse Now: Redux? Blade Runner. With the narration?
 
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