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Spoilers All Things STAR WARS - News, Speculation & Spoilers Thread

Jedi Marso said:
All you need is Adywan's cut of the OT. That is all you need, unless you prefer the despecialized edition fan edits.

Even though I own them, I haven't watched an 'official' cut of any movie in the OT or PT in years. Select fan edits are an improvement in every way possible.
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Yeah, adywan's Revisited Editions of the OT Special Edition are pretty awesome.

An actual Special Edition with hundreds of more fixes than George / Lucasfilm have addressed over the years - with some very impressive additional SE alterations (and also fixing the errors that the official Special Editions have introduced over time)...

Always good to have choices and options - as well at the countless other quality Fan Edits out there...


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kirk55555 said:
I would love an upgraded Special Edition Cut. I grew up with the special edition cut in the '90s, although I'm sure I probably watched the movies in the original VHS version when I was very young. I did watch the despecialized Edition that is around the internet and I actually really disliked it. I don't want to watch the original versions of Star Wars because I legitimately like what the special editions added way more than what the original movies had, outside of the Jabba the Hutt scene in episode 4 and I can take or leave Han shooting first.

If we could all have our ideal versions of the original trilogy mine would be the 90s special edition in HD with the Jabba the Hutt scene cut out of episode 4. I'd also be okay with the McDiarmid emperor replacement in episode 5 and Morrison's voice used for Boba Fett, which are my favorite changes to the original trilogy post the prequel movies coming out.
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Fans have reconstructed and also made preservations of the original 1997 Special Editions over the years - available in SD, HD, and 4K (from 35mm print scans). Maybe one day Lucasfilm will officially release the 1997 Special Edition too (even if on Disney+ in the 'Vintage' area). After all, they've always been ready to be released in a high quality modern format...

For many fans it was the first time they'd seen the Original Trilogy on the big screen - and were also the testing ground for what came in the Prequel films (CGI & effects-wise) - so it's be great for those fans to easily and readily experience the versions they grew up with. Choices and options... :techman:
 
Reverend said:
In terms of cost and effort, that would be like doing the Special Editions all over again, and then some. So, not going to happen. Hell, even Lucas didn't go to that much effort to remaster the Endor space battle elements, or fix any of the myriad errors in those nightmarish complex composites. Just wasn't worth the expense.

The best you can hope for is what they're apparently doing; a sensitive clean-up job on a scan of an original print.
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And all of that is a thousand times easier now than 30 years ago.
 
JedGelt67 said:
And all of that is a thousand times easier now than 30 years ago.
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I think you vastly underestimate the volume of work involved, and vastly overestimate what modern software can and can't do.
Despite what deluded "AI" enthusiasts will claim, there is no magic "make everything look better" button. At least, not unless you don't care if it ends of looking like an absolute dog's breakfast of uncanny auto-smoothing and random artifacts. These things still need a human eye and hand to do properly. Hell, re-scanning all of the surviving VFX elements alone would be a massive undertaking.
 
JedGelt67 said:
I'm of the opinion that restoring the GOUT shouldn't be what people saw on screens, but what they should have seen.
So cleaning up mattes and wires, but leave the lightsabers and lasers alone, except to fix compositing mistakes.
Absolutely no CGI unless the original element is unusable, in which case recreate it in CGI and re-composite.


Can't remember the last time i watched Harmy but man, it was insane how much he managed to recreate the original.

yes, keep it!!! :D
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A number of Fan Editors have achieved just that (not just Harmy's superb Despecialized Editions) - with many different options to choose from. :techman: (with no AI involved either).

(Though GOUT is a term which refers to only the 2006 'limited edition' DVD release for 'George's Original Unaltered Trilogy' ; with the 'bonus disc' of the theatrical cuts source being the 1993 DE laserdisc masters).

^ 'However, fans had a sneaking suspicion about the reasons for the quality of the release. It borders on paranoia, but there seems to be lots of truth in it. On originaltrilogy.com, the release was coined the GOUT--George's, Original, Unaltered Theatrical versions.' (in 2006)

https://savestarwars.com/gout.html
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GOUT is Georges Original Unaltered Theatrical cut; what moviegoers in the 70's and 80's would have seen in theaters.

I have seen some of the despecialized and respecialized editions and find myself not really caring all that much.

I'd like to pop open D+ and watch the Original Star Wars
 
Sometimes you just can't go home again.

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JedGelt67 said:
GOUT is Georges Original Unaltered Theatrical cut; what moviegoers in the 70's and 80's would have seen in theaters.

I have seen some of the despecialized and respecialized editions and find myself not really caring all that much.

I'd like to pop open D+ and watch the Original Star Wars
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They never get rid of the episode tag on the original though :(
 
Why are people so hung up on the Episode tag? You lot do know it was initially going to be there, and they only pulled it at the 11th hour when the studio kicked up a fuss that it would confuse audiences, right?
Why exactly should we be celebrating the restoration of studio interference and the underestimating of the audience's intelligence?
Do you want the changeover cues back too? How about the random eyelash from the projectionist that got caught in the second reel that first time you saw it?
Should I be demanding that put in bad VHS tracking and half of MFI January advert in the middle of one scene? Because that's what the version I grew up with looked like!
JedGelt67 said:
I'd like to pop open D+ and watch the Original Star Wars
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Ain't no such thing as "the original Star Wars". That movie was a work in progress from the jump, and it never stopped changing from it's premiere, all through it's initial run, to the re-releases, to the TV edit, the VHS remaster, the laser discs, the SEs, the DVDs, blurays, all the way to maclunkey!
 
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So this is definitely going to be some version of the original release? Are we assuming that the reference to 1977 means that it's the 1977 version?
kirk55555 said:
I would love an upgraded Special Edition Cut. I grew up with the special edition cut in the '90s, although I'm sure I probably watched the movies in the original VHS version when I was very young. I did watch the despecialized Edition that is around the internet and I actually really disliked it. I don't want to watch the original versions of Star Wars because I legitimately like what the special editions added way more than what the original movies had, outside of the Jabba the Hutt scene in episode 4 and I can take or leave Han shooting first.

If we could all have our ideal versions of the original trilogy mine would be the 90s special edition in HD with the Jabba the Hutt scene cut out of episode 4. I'd also be okay with the McDiarmid emperor replacement in episode 5 and Morrison's voice used for Boba Fett, which are my favorite changes to the original trilogy post the prequel movies coming out.
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When did the add the lead Stormtrooper telling someone to go check on the guy who hit his head on the doorway? That's one of my favorite additions.
 
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