I’m sick to death of hearing about The Orville on these forums
It’s not Trek. Never was. Never will be.
Discovery and Picard are miles superior to anything that fan wank series puts out![]()
Just imagine how much worse "Orville" would be if it didn't feature a lot of Trek writers, directors, and cast members.

Oh, Discovery and Picard both have themes that scream "fanwank" - mirror universe so early in, callbacks and tie-ins with TOS out of the blue, the return of JL Picard and all the universe's XB's for a reunion party because the universe is such a big small place now... there's actually a lot more Trek fanwank in those two spinoffs than "Orville" has and "Orville" has used more old Trek episodes as partial templates.