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I'll let the Doctor sum it up:
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I'll let the Doctor sum it up:
Probably, I've assumed the Xenomorph would just cross from the Alien universe over to the Trek universe.
And a Firefly flying over Caprica City in NuBSG.
And a TOS Enterprise in the rag tag fleet for that matter...
OMG it's all connected!
The comics did a crossover between Star Trek and Doctor Who, despite Doctor Who making multiple references to Star Trek as a fictional program. The comics also did a crossover between Star Trek and Planet of the Apes, despite POTA's depiction of Earth's future being extremely incompatible with Star Trek's. Whatever else caused the Star Trek Alien crossover to be abandoned, I don't think it was because they're set in incompatible universes.
And that's before we get into the comics have featuring Trek crossovers with X-Men and Green Lantern, which would seem to indicate the Trek universe has access to both the Marvel and DC universes. Or that there was a Trek crossover with Transformers, which has also done crossovers with GI Joe and My Little Pony, which I guess means they're adjacent to Trek now as well.
Which all helps set up my stance, that a crossover or easter egg doesn't mean that two universes are actually set in the same one. Personally, I've never enjoyed the idea of cramming Alien and Blade Runner into the same timeline, and thankfully Ridley and co. has yet to make it proper-official, beyond some vague imagery or small text on a DVD supplement.
Controversial Opinion:
Alien 3: Assembly Cut is amazing. It’s so dark and gritty and really quite nasty, but it’s also visually beautiful and has an amazingly atmospheric score. Weaver and Dutton are outstanding and have great chemistry, and Charles Dance’s character is a wonderful contrast to the other more intense characters. The “runner” alien is really fascinating…and really the set and production design in general is incredible.
I think if you take away the gut-punch disappointment many fans felt with the character deaths from the previous film, and just judge it on its own merits, you see it’s really quite an intense and fascinating film.
There’s discussion on the Star Trek boards these days where an opinion/ theme has been that fans seem to judge the entire franchise against the tone/look/pace/approach of TNG, and I sometimes think that the Alien Franchise suffers the same, with many fans looking at the second film as the example of what all the films should be. For me, while I love Aliens, I’m glad we didn’t get an entire Colonial Marines franchise. I quite like the fact that each film looks and feels different, and Alien 3 may be one of the most unique and oppressively nihilistic film in the entire franchise.
Alien 3: Assembly Cut is amazing. It’s so dark and gritty and really quite nasty, but it’s also visually beautiful and has an amazingly atmospheric score. Weaver and Dutton are outstanding and have great chemistry, and Charles Dance’s character is a wonderful contrast to the other more intense characters. The “runner” alien is really fascinating…and really the set and production design in general is incredible.
I think if you take away the gut-punch disappointment many fans felt with the character deaths from the previous film, and just judge it on its own merits, you see it’s really quite an intense and fascinating film.
There’s discussion on the Star Trek boards these days where an opinion/ theme has been that fans seem to judge the entire franchise against the tone/look/pace/approach of TNG, and I sometimes think that the Alien Franchise suffers the same, with many fans looking at the second film as the example of what all the films should be. For me, while I love Aliens, I’m glad we didn’t get an entire Colonial Marines franchise. I quite like the fact that each film looks and feels different, and Alien 3 may be one of the most unique and oppressively nihilistic film in the entire franchise.
I'm not so sure that thinking that the Assembly Cut being quite good is controversial. But I could be wrong.
You may be right, to the point where most people would say that it is a noticeable improvement, or that it at least "doesn't totally suck now...."
But, I honestly think it belongs right there with the other two films in terms of my appreciation for it.
One of the things I really liked about the original 4 Alien movies when I watched a while back, was the way each one was done with such a different tone and style. It was kind of nice change from franchises like Star Trek, Star Wars, or Marvel who pretty much stick to a similar approach for the majority of their movies or shows.
Nor did I. But that’s because I hold the theatrical version in high regard as well.
I enjoyed both versions, although I will say that the directors cut has my preference.
All the Alien movies are style-wise completely different from each other, with Alien3 being almost a European film-noir to a degree. It cannot be compared to it's predecessor, which was, let's face it, an 80's American action/horror movie.
It's ok to like one more than the other, or dislike one. Sure. But please judge them by their own movies.
Can't recall the last time I saw the theatrical version, I just tend to default to the Assembly Cut now.
In contrast, despite initially loving the director's cut, I tend to prefer the theatrical version of Aliens now. I don't think the extended version really adds anything.
In contrast, despite initially loving the director's cut, I tend to prefer the theatrical version of Aliens now. I don't think the extended version really adds anything.
I like the Special Edition of Aliens, except for the small addition to the drop to the planet sequence.
And Alien 3, I prefer the Assembly in every way except for the chestburster. Swap the Spike scene back in and I'm good to go.
Alien and Rez are both theatrical all day every day.
And Alien 3, I prefer the Assembly in every way except for the chestburster. Swap the Spike scene back in and I'm good to go.
Alien and Rez are both theatrical all day every day.
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Aliens also has the sentry guns.
The inclusion of Ripley's daughter adds a certain something to her desire to protect Newt later, but it isn't essential. It's a little reductive but you can just explain Ripley's actions on a maternal level, or even just a basic human level.
The sentry guns look kewl but again what do they add? Either the Xenos are smart enough to realise they'll run out of ammo, and so just throw bodies at them until they click empty, or the Xenos are so stupid that they keep throwing themselves at the guns imagining they can get through. The first option is redundant, we know they're smart ("How can they cut the power?" sneaking in overhead etc) the second option just makes them less threatening.
It also feeds into the undeniable truth of Aliens. The marines don't lose because the aliens are superior, the marines lose because of:
1. Gorman's leadership/inexperience
2. Burke's duplicity
3. Losing most of their weapons and ammo due to points 1 & 2
The inclusion of Ripley's daughter adds a certain something to her desire to protect Newt later, but it isn't essential. It's a little reductive but you can just explain Ripley's actions on a maternal level, or even just a basic human level.
The sentry guns look kewl but again what do they add? Either the Xenos are smart enough to realise they'll run out of ammo, and so just throw bodies at them until they click empty, or the Xenos are so stupid that they keep throwing themselves at the guns imagining they can get through. The first option is redundant, we know they're smart ("How can they cut the power?" sneaking in overhead etc) the second option just makes them less threatening.
It also feeds into the undeniable truth of Aliens. The marines don't lose because the aliens are superior, the marines lose because of:
1. Gorman's leadership/inexperience
2. Burke's duplicity
3. Losing most of their weapons and ammo due to points 1 & 2
There was also the remote sentry scene.
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