Only if you count the deleted scene from Alien. Otherwise I'm not seeing how.
Alien 5: An Open Message About Newt, Hicks, and Bishop
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Only if you count the deleted scene from Alien. Otherwise I'm not seeing how.
I completely agree.
Not that 3 and 4 are bad films (I happen to like 4 quite a bit) but I can't get over the fact that 3 simply killed Newt and Hicks off screen. It's makes the awesome finale of Aliens nearly pointless.
"They mostly fuck up sequels... mostly."
Ripley snoozed for 57 years in a cryotube, remember? And the Engineer in Prometheus was in one for about 2000 years. Find a good excuse to stick Hicks in one for about 170 years (allowing time to age him up), and we're good to go.
It's clear you're not interested in real debate but just throwing your bias around.
I have nothing more to say to you in this thread then.
The Assembly Cut of Alien3 is at least as good as Aliens. It's relentlessly pessimistic but not cynical, and I adore it as a conclusion to Ripley's character arc -- I think the ending of Aliens is a little too happy for the character / series to end on. Two encounters with the scariest and deadliest creature in cinema and her life ends up way better than if the Nostromo just went straight home: A new start-over daughter to replace the one she never saw / had time for (who by the way lived happily to 98 or whatever) and she gets a husband! The suicide downbeat ending of 3 is much more satisfying to me. Her life is over but she gets to go out with her middle finger up to the company, making sure this thing never gets to terrorize anyone ever again.
Elliot Goldenthal's score is nothing short of amazing, too.
Elliot Goldenthal's score is nothing short of amazing, too.
David Fincher left the movie even before editing was complete, so thoroughly disgusted was he that the studio finished the film for him. As Timby references, you are perhaps thinking of the "Assembly Cut." Fincher would have nothing to do with the film since he left the debacle, even for the Alien Quadrilogy release. The Assembly Cut is indeed generally liked better by those who appreciate Alien 3.
And you shouldn't.
After the events in Alien and Aliens Ripley deserved something good thrown her way.
The ending to 3 is good in itself, but that story is tainted, for me, by the way in which Ellen's possible happy ending was smashed.
Bad things happen to good people. That's just a fact of life. No one gets exactly what they deserve or want, and the beginning of the film reflects the style of film that Alien3 is -- Alien is basically the greatest horror film ever made and it arguably has the best execution of a slow burn in cinematic history. Aliens is an action movie. Alien3 is essentially a Gothic drama.
That explains reality - not fiction: two things easily confused, I know.
This wasn't just bad things, this was a convoluted ridiculous set of circumstances that only make sense if an evil God had it out for Ripley.
Seriously our heroes have to be dumb enough not to check for more aliens before going into hyper sleep, the egg has to decide to open with no one near it (something they've never done before) instead of just getting some poor bastard on Earth when they get there so they can wreck the ship and kill off three characters just because, and somehow the face hugger can navigate from the egg's hiding place to the hyper sleep chambers, and then survive implanting Ripley long enough to implant a dog/cow instead of dying like they usually do just so they can have a alien run around (a bit after Ripley should logically be dead) and still give Ripley a reason to commit suicide.
It just comes off a putting everyone into a corner just to surve the plot.
And Alien Resurrection tried to be all three in one film and only ended up as a rough first draft of Firefly.
I just want him to make it good, and add something to the mythos, not just be a cash-in. Other than that, I don't give a shit one way or the other about canonicity of 3 and 4.
That said, 3 completed a trio of casting Ripley as the female archetypes of maiden, mother, and crone, while 4 failed by a) there not being a fourth archetype after crone, and b) being a "greatest hits" album.
If 5 is to succeed, it needs to either find that fourth archetype for Ripley, or focus in a new direction in the same universe.
That said, 3 completed a trio of casting Ripley as the female archetypes of maiden, mother, and crone, while 4 failed by a) there not being a fourth archetype after crone, and b) being a "greatest hits" album.
If 5 is to succeed, it needs to either find that fourth archetype for Ripley, or focus in a new direction in the same universe.
It happens.
It's movement and vibrations that open the eggs. The vibrations of the machinery and engines on the Sulaco would do it. Plus it was a Superfacehugger, it's different.
It has to have some kind of sensory organ, so it tracked people it could infect to the chambers.
Superfacehugger.
Seriously. The Facehuggers are shown to have some sort of sensory / tracking ability at the very least, if not some level of intelligence, when they're locked in the medical room with Ripley and Newt.
So this was said in the movie? And no I don't give a fuck what the books said.
in other words yeah they were that stupid, since it wasn't like there would even be a huge ass area to search seeing as the queen is a huge ass alien that needs to be able to fit in an area to get to it.
So a combination of stuff not mentioned in the movie ever and bullshit asspulling.
How they're freaking popsicles at that point somewhere on a giant freaking space ship.
Aka bullshit asspull.
As I recall, in the Assembly Cut, that's explicitly said when Ripley gets her ultrasound or whatever -- she's shocked that she isn't dead when she's had an embryo inside her for so long and then Charles Dance's character suggests that because it's a queen (which is when Ripley really develops her death wish), it hasn't matured yet.
The ship's sensors never warned them about some unknown bio-organism when they were going back to the Sulaco. So their methods of detection aren't that great.
Do you need this explanation? It's people moving that got the egg to open before, and we've never seen one on a ship full of moving machinery before. So machine vibrations do the trick.
Their body functions aren't stopped, just slowed down. Enough that a Superfacehugger could still detect them eventually.
The Superfacehugger can do twice. A Queen and a normal alien to burst first to protect the Queen until she's born. Perfect sense.
As for the Queen, there are two reasons why it took longer:
1) It's a Queen, needs more development time in a host.
2) Ripley's body was messed up from coming out of Cryo wrong, so it messed up the Queen too.
Again bullshit asspull.