Even Coulson knows he dropped the ball there. I mean, it's understandable. I missed that he was brainwashed as well, I just figured tortured, but he knows he should have caught it.
Agents of SHIELD season 5
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I was surprised Mack mentioned that he actually heard when Talbot muttered about complying. I cleaned it up in my head to mean he wasn't sure what he said (two ply? No lie? Bow tie?) until he looked back on it once he knew they were breached, but it could've been said more clearly to make it look like SHIELD didn't just ignore the c-word.
I was confused by the sequence of events as well. Ruby floated up into the air, there was the big flash, and poof, Hale was gone. After I saw her with the alien I thought maybe the alien had transported her.
With respect to Yoyo, I think she is being shown to be quite traumatized by the events of the season. Running into herself in the future and being convinced that the time loop cannot be broken, losing her arms, the pain from using her powers, Mack's possible death, have all contributed to her kind of spacey not quite there, attitude.
Mack and Coulson simultaneously egging Deke on to try his lemon courtship was hysterical. I really hope he does it and we get to see Daisy, who I don't think is aware of his crush, react.
Honestly, I can't really blame Yoyo for reacting the way she did. Ruby cut her arms off just a few weeks ago AND she saw firsthand the particularly hellish future that awaits her if Earth is destroyed. She's not going to risk that coming true for the sake of the woman who sliced her arms off. She had her shot to save the world, as far as she knew, and she took it.
And it's not the first time this season that we've seen Elena willing to take more drastic measures than the rest of the team, because of her history as a resistance fighter willing to do whatever it took to survive. It came up in the first half of the season when Elena framed Grill’s assistant Zev for her thefts and got Zev killed as a result. That led to some tension between her and Mack. This probably will too.
I think that the brainwashing reveal with Talbot was a good example of why it was the right move to bring back HYDRA this season. They're an important part of the show's established lore.
And I'll bet there's a Shakespearean twist involved...that in taking extreme measures to try preventing that future, her act actually triggers the events that will threaten to destroy Earth.
Yeah, Talbot survived, and he even broke out of his programming. He's a good guy at heart, so I'm hoping that he pulls through. I'm still not sure if his wife triggered him under duress or because she's a HYDRA sleeper, though.
Gotta love Mack. When Deke asks, "Is that even possible?" he replies, "Always assume the answer is 'yes.'"
And the scenes with Mack and Coulson giving Deke the business about Daisy were classic. Especially encouraging him to go ahead with his lemon plan.
But now I'm really worried about how the team will stay together after all this. YoYo and FitzSimmons have both betrayed Mack, not to mention Daisy, and YoYo has killed Ruby, which has probably not saved the world as much as she thinks it has. As de facto team leader, will Daisy want any of them on the team when the dust has settled? Will Mack have finally had enough?
And we still don't know why Coulson must die.
Gotta love Mack. When Deke asks, "Is that even possible?" he replies, "Always assume the answer is 'yes.'"
And the scenes with Mack and Coulson giving Deke the business about Daisy were classic. Especially encouraging him to go ahead with his lemon plan.
But now I'm really worried about how the team will stay together after all this. YoYo and FitzSimmons have both betrayed Mack, not to mention Daisy, and YoYo has killed Ruby, which has probably not saved the world as much as she thinks it has. As de facto team leader, will Daisy want any of them on the team when the dust has settled? Will Mack have finally had enough?
And we still don't know why Coulson must die.
I took the scene as being she made it under duress. There was some-one there with her (Hale?) and she was reading from a paper in in a very stilted in the manner often used when doing something against one's will.
So that was no gun to Mrs Talbot's head at the time but doesn't mean there wasn't one at her son's head off-camera/in other room.
Hale's assistant. I agree that Mrs. Talbot read it under duress. Her body language and voice, as well as the look on her face, all clearly suggested that to me.
I had the exact same thought. Along with the confusion over Hale's disappearance (if she beamed up from her base, how did she get all the way back to Crystal Peak from England without the team catching up to her?!), that makes for two weird writing glitches from this ep.
ETA: And, where as Piper? The People demand more Piper!
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I agree, but she didn't seem too very duressed, which raised the question in my mind-- especially on a show where moles pop up with alarming frequency.
And why was Hale the only one not knocked out by the gravity wave or whatever it was?
Indeed we do!ETA: And, where is Piper? The People demand more Piper!
"How was I supposed to know there'd be an 'alien invasion' option?"
"You always listen to the whole menu! Always!"
"You always listen to the whole menu! Always!"
Glenn Talbot: Destroyer of Worlds
ETA: Ooh, looks like he'll even be shaving down to the Graviton Goatee next week.
ETA: Ooh, looks like he'll even be shaving down to the Graviton Goatee next week.
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The only effect Infinity War had was when the Candyman asked Daisy what she thought about the crazy stuff going on in New York and she said she couldn't stand to watch the news. And the rest of the team was sealed into the bunker and cut off from contact with the rest of the world by the aliens, a handy way of keeping them isolated from the Infinity War events going on simultaneously. Quite a letdown from the close interconnectedness we used to have, but kind of clever in its way.
So the show finally has its Graviton, and it's Glenn Talbot. That's quite a change.
Although we know Franklin Hall is still in there, along with Ian Quinn. Maybe they overwhelm Talbot's weakened mind and take over his body, explaining his evident bout of villainy in next week's trailer. In any case, it's an effective change. Pasdar could probably play Graviton more effectively than the actor who played Hall could have.
And Deke has introduced the idea of multiverse theory, which is the only way they could potentially break the time loop. But there's already a self-consistent version of the loop that we've already seen. I guess that fits into multiverse theory too, though, since the quantum-mechanical interpretation of time travel (multiverse variant) is that an object traveling back in time would follow all possible paths at once in different timelines -- meaning, effectively, that any attempt to change history would fail in one timeline and succeed in another (or others). Still, there's no reason Deke would "blink out" in any physically valid model. And if he did, so would their memories of him, so Simmons was being rather silly there.
They're really bringing a lot of stuff full circle here. First Graviton, now Centipede and Jiaying. They really have been writing this as if it were the final season -- tying off loose ends, revisiting the high points of their history.
I honestly didn't expect we would get a reference to Infinity War, but that does help explain how an alien ship could just show up and not get the attention of what's left of the Avengers as well as the military. They're too busy freaking out about New York and subsequent events. That said...
As for the episode, my heart breaks for Talbot. He so badly wanted to fix the wrongs he caused that he's done something truly terrible and the consequences could be far worse than what he did before. Worse, he may further lose his mental faculties with Franklin Hall and Ian Quinn cohabiting inside the gravitonium. I can't see how this will end well for Talbot, even if the world isn't destroyed.
Perhaps as a result of me mentally blocking out the certain aspects of season two, but I can't figure out Daisy needs from Jiaying's grave.
How are they going to get around Thanos wiping out half of humanity? Are they going to pretend by some miracle no one amongst our heroes weren't chosen for death?
As for the episode, my heart breaks for Talbot. He so badly wanted to fix the wrongs he caused that he's done something truly terrible and the consequences could be far worse than what he did before. Worse, he may further lose his mental faculties with Franklin Hall and Ian Quinn cohabiting inside the gravitonium. I can't see how this will end well for Talbot, even if the world isn't destroyed.
Perhaps as a result of me mentally blocking out the certain aspects of season two, but I can't figure out Daisy needs from Jiaying's grave.
Because of all that, I'm kind of hoping this will be the final season. Things would feel rather lopsided and light in comparison in any potential subsequent season.
I assume I'm not the only one who wants to know what the alien invasion option would have done....
