I understand the situation, but having Coulson pop up in AoU just long enough to plug his show would be great commercial exposure for AoS....
Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)
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Having seen AoU...
There's no reference to him at all. At least none that I saw. So for all we know they *do* know he's back from the dead, we just don't see it. It could have happened long before the movie starts. Who knows. It's not like there's a line of one them going "hey it's still a shame about ol' Coulson isn't it?"
Yeah that all seemed pretty innocuous to me. it wouldn't make sense in the movies to have Coulson pop back up without making a big deal of it and to make a big deal of it probably means bringing both the AoS cast *and* the majority of the Avengers cast (Banner is the only one without any real connection to him) into it and well, there's half a movie right there. A random cameo would just feel tacky IMO.
I think the only logical place for those two threads to meet again is in an AoS movie, presumably at the end of the show's run and there's no danger of that happening before phase 4 rolls out sometime after 2019-20. By that point you're probably looking at most of the original Avengers actors parting ways, so it would be a nice way to bring it full circle.
The only problem I really have with them all still thinking him dead is that Sif knows. Sure, Coulson asked her to let him be the one to tell Thor he's still around, but that was over a year ago. I'm not sure a lie of omission would sit well with her for so long.
I suppose one might argue that he's mostly been on Earth with Jane these last 18 months and may not have even been back to Asgard since, therefore the opportunity hasn't presented itself. It's also possible that by the time he does get back in Ragnarok, things are going to be far too hectic for that to even come up.
The only other weak link in Talbot, but unless he's being very careless with his classified communications (a poor career move for any officer) or Stark had JARVIS specifically hack the Pentagon and go looking for that information, the secret should be safe enough.
In theory Rhodey might find out, but again, he never really knew Coulson so the name may not even mean anything to him.
Every time Stark says that he is a rock star, it makes Rhodey seem more and more like his Roadie.
What about Dr. List?
Saw him in the movie, and if someone kills him in Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D., well that certainly staples down the timeline.
What about Dr. List?
Saw him in the movie, and if someone kills him in Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D., well that certainly staples down the timeline.
Hill also knows, and she's working for Stark.
But she keeps secrets for a living.
I haven't heard the interview...but seems kinda weird that AoS would be TOO disconnected from the greater MCU...especially since didn't his brother & sister in law have a big role in launching the series?
But i'm fine if AoS isn't mentioned in at least some of the movies....SHIELD's role was vital in bringing the Avengers together...but then CAP2 helped remove the influence of SHIELD ...at least to the degree that they were vital to the early MCU storyline.
i think a few references to upcoming/current movies in AoS is the most practical thing to be done. The movies don't have to reference TV, though if they could slip in somethign here &there, i think it'd be great.
A lot better than DC, which is completely divorcing TV & movies. Just like Marvel , the TV heroes they have (and the storylines/base of operations) really don't have to touch what happens in the movies at all. Flash & Arrow at this point aren't as cosmic as Superman or Shazam or or WOnder Woman, or Green Lantern and unless the movies decide to destroy 90% of the earth, there's no reason why the two have to seriously effect each other
i'm thinking Gonzales will indeed fill that role, with Coulson being Field Director and/or being on "the Board"
I haven't seen the movie yet...but is it possible the Avengers had some adventures between movies...where perhaps a comic or novel could 've been the place where Coulson reveals himself?
I'd also hang on till the season finale...you never know!
I have to wonder how that part of their relationship works. Despite Widow's data-dump, I'm sure that Hill knows a lot of stuff about a lot of people, projects and a lot of stuff that that isn't stuff she legally should be repeating to Stark or anyone else, civilian or no.
If Coulson's revival were to come up, I wonder if she would tell Stark that it was too highly classified for her to tell him or simply state that he never asked.
Well, they all launched the series together -- Joss Whedon is one of its credited creators -- and Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen are its day-to-day showrunners.
Again, though, it's about serving the intended audience for the work. It's just a fact of life that quite a lot of the moviegoing audience will be unfamiliar with the TV show. As far as they know, Coulson is dead; his story came to an end. Having him appear for a one-minute cameo in the movie would just be confusing and off-putting to those audience members, because they haven't had dozens of episodes' worth of storytelling to give some meaning and context to Coulson's revival. So it just works better for the movie to say nothing about Coulson one way or the other. That way it works for both audiences, those who do watch the series and those who don't.
It's often tricky to balance the conflicting goals of making a story stand on its own and making it part of a larger whole. Reportedly there's a clash of that sort between AoU and Iron Man 3, since that movie ended with Tony destroying all his armors, but AoU opens with him being Iron Man again without explanation. The individual series have their own story arcs and the crossover series has its own arc, and the fit between them isn't always perfect. But then, the same is true of the actual comics a lot of the time.
Yeah, I figure they must've been teaming up for the occasional big mission between movies, though we haven't been hearing about it. Although I'm not sure there's room in the AoU timeline for that to happen, unless it's between the first and second seasons.
What was the plan as announced?
IM 3 - 6 months after Avengers
Thor 2 - 1 year after Avengers
Cap 2 - 2 years after Avengers
And we don't know how many months between Cap 2 and Avengers 2 yet, for the MCU production teams' purposes, right?
So. Plenty of time for a confession/conference along the way, right?
IM 3 - 6 months after Avengers
Thor 2 - 1 year after Avengers
Cap 2 - 2 years after Avengers
And we don't know how many months between Cap 2 and Avengers 2 yet, for the MCU production teams' purposes, right?
So. Plenty of time for a confession/conference along the way, right?
Now I'm getting suspicious of Simmons...she's volunteering to sabotage the plan on the premise of getting back at Ward....
"Spoiler Alert!" 
Also loved the shared scoff between Hill and Coulson about the voting.
Also loved the shared scoff between Hill and Coulson about the voting.
That...surprised me somewhat. On some level, I think I was expecting it from the moment they introduced us to the Playground.
There may be other planes like the Bus out there locked up in some boneyard somewhere in the US southwest, mind you, and one of them might yet be put to use by Coulson's Crew down the road but none of them will be the same.
Tune in this Friday for a special two hour episode of Agents of SHIELD called Avengers: Age of Ultron.
Is Lola still around? I definitely noticed it was NOT on the bus when they left.
perhaps a new toy later on? Or they just have a stationary base of operations?
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