Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)
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Brainwashing Ward means one of to things.
1. Coulson is not building secret prisons.
2. Coulson is not building secret prisons yet.
1. Coulson is not building secret prisons.
2. Coulson is not building secret prisons yet.
A deal was made.
If their team-up was to go ahead, Ward got to chose between a new life/memories or an execution after the mission was wrapped up.
Ward chose Tahiti.
Tahiti could be a lie.
Coulson might still be thinking about putting Ward down.
The Guest House was the source of the drug that brought Coulson back to life. The memory erasure process was separate from that, done some time after his resurrection to erase his memories of the traumas he endured as a result of his revival (as well as to suppress the compulsion to carve the diagrams of the Kree city).
No; Ward was voluntarily working with Coulson, but he still has his own agenda, which he and Agent 33 discussed when they were alone in the car. But Coulson's plan is that afterward, he'll wipe Ward's memory and let him have a fresh start, hopefully without the emotional damage that turned him into a killer.
I got the feeling Coulson was lying. Now, what the endgame would be for that, I'm not sure, but I think it's a bluff to get Ward's help.
I also think Ward is too dangerous to be out "loose" as it were and Coulson may want to take the opportunity to neutralize/eliminate him.
An asset not in your control is a liability.
I finally figured out where I've seen Agent 33 before! She plays Tori, the Computer Tech at the precinct in Castle. ABC must really like the actress because her Castle character is always around, and is little more than a glorified extra; Ryan or Esposito could easily take her lines, but they refer to her name at least once per episode, and the camera likes to hang on her a few seconds longer than it should.
I always expect that her character will do something a little more in Castle, but it never happens. Nice to see her on Shield.
I always expect that her character will do something a little more in Castle, but it never happens. Nice to see her on Shield.
Anybody else kinda of wished that street bump scene between Skye/Cal and those men escalated?
I am interested in seeing what Coulson has in mind when he surrendered- one thing I have seen about him is that whenever he puts himself into the hands of the enemy there is a greater plan involved.
I am interested in seeing what Coulson has in mind when he surrendered- one thing I have seen about him is that whenever he puts himself into the hands of the enemy there is a greater plan involved.
Naah. I expected it to escalate and was glad when it didn't.
Maya Stojan, yes.
It was a misdirect, both in-story and out. We thought it was about Cal being provoked to violence, but really, it was about Skye pickpocketing the guy's cell phone so she could call SHIELD.
I totally missed the pick pocket- nice touch!
But we only saw the memory machine at the Guest House (it was there when Coulson and Garrett raided it), and it hasn't been established that Coulson has another one.
It had crossed my mind that it might be a bluff on Coulson's part, but to what end? Having ones mind permanently altered wouldn't be a desirable fate to most.
Or maybe Coulson is just using "the TAHITI Protocol" as a code phrase for memory erasure in general, and he has access to other methods of doing that.
And no, it isn't desirable, but neither is prison time. Yet lots of criminals accept plea bargains for a certain amount of prison time because it's better than the alternative if they don't take the deal. Coulson's not willing to let Ward run around free, so the options are either to wipe his memory and give him a fresh start, or to drop him in a deep, dark hole forever, not necessarily alive. So he's hoping Ward will see it as the lesser of two evils. He's also banking on the idea that Ward may welcome losing the memory of the awful things his family and Garrett infliced on him.
And no, it isn't desirable, but neither is prison time. Yet lots of criminals accept plea bargains for a certain amount of prison time because it's better than the alternative if they don't take the deal. Coulson's not willing to let Ward run around free, so the options are either to wipe his memory and give him a fresh start, or to drop him in a deep, dark hole forever, not necessarily alive. So he's hoping Ward will see it as the lesser of two evils. He's also banking on the idea that Ward may welcome losing the memory of the awful things his family and Garrett infliced on him.
Put it this way: do you really think someone like Fury would only keep *one* of something as useful as a memory wipe/implant machine? It's credible enough that there are others out there and the most obvious way Coulson would know about them is through the toolbox.
Not that it *has* to be true, just credible enough for Ward to buy it.
Maybe not desirable, but Preferable to a bullet in the head, no?
Not that it matters since we already know Ward has his own endgame in mind and it's a fair bet Coulson also has something else in store for Ward. The only question is: out of the two of them, who's clever enough to have thought three steps ahead and who's thought twelve steps ahead?
IIRC Coulson also mentioned a possibility for Ward to rejoin SHIELD afterwards...
Well, it would at least only be done with his consent.
I think you guys are forgetting the scene that first showed us the brain-changer in use....Remember Coulson begging to be allowed to die?
Yeah, but he didn't remember it afterward.
But was that from the brain machine or from the GH serum? Was he begging to die because he had an overwhelming urge to draw maps?
^Yeah, I think we learned earlier this season that the other subjects who got revived by the Kree serum were driven mad or became suicidal, and erasing Coulson's memory was the only way to save his sanity.
I'm pretty sure the crazy spidery brain machine was just a surgical tool and part of the resurrection/rebuilding process, not the memory wiping. Recall that part of the reason they wiped him in the first place was because the process was so physically and mentally traumatic. The Kree formula essentially acted as a catalyst at the cellular level; they still had to surgically rebuild him and undo any damage to the neural tissue caused by brain death.
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