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Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

1. His feelings only had to be as deep as friendship.

2. If Skye's dad is really bad ass, who can tell how protected she is?
 
Speaking of Ward.. i really, really hope he doesn't get redeemed but being a prisoner of Shield he comes off so believable in his remorse (also kudos to the acting of Dalton) that i slowly begin to think that's what the writers will do even if they go for the very long haul (or only to make us want him back on the team before killing him).

I expect at some point Coulson's facility is going to be compromised and Ward will be set free. And he will make the decision to apprehend the baddies, which will earn him some trust.

Regardless of the legitimacy of his remorse, there's literally nothing he could do to redeem himself for the amount of innocent people he has murdered. If the show redeems him and brings him back into the fold it will lose its credibility with me. The best they can do with any kind of straight face is have him die doing something noble.

I expect at some point Coulson's facility is going to be compromised and Ward will be set free. And he will make the decision to apprehend the baddies, which will earn him some trust.

Regardless of the legitimacy of his remorse, there's literally nothing he could do to redeem himself for the amount of innocent people he has murdered. If the show redeems him and brings him back into the fold it will lose its credibility with me. The best they can do with any kind of straight face is have him die doing something noble.


Well.. let's look at (Joss) Whedons' Spike and Angel.. both initially some very dark villains (in Angel's case it's rather Angelus) who got to be fan favorites and slowly grew to become heroes in (at least to me) believable ways but it also took several seasons of character growth.

I'm not saying it can't be done but it'll require some major and solid writing on behalf of the production team if that's their goal at all.

As i said already i think it would be far better to get the viewers to the point of wanting him back on the team only to remind us harshly about what he's done before killing him off in a blaze of glory (or for bonus points going out like a punk).

Yeah. I'm not much of a predicting person, but I find myself predicting Ward dying heroically to save Skye. Redemption = death, that sorta thing.

My only point was that ever kill that Ward had was done in service of his mission. None were for fun or enjoyment or personal gain. We disagree with his actions because we disagree with his mission. If we agreed with his mission, the actions would be seen as justified.

Interestingly enough, that's why I really love the "flashback" ep in Season One that went into why Ward's so loyal to Garrett. We may not be on their side...but we can't help but admit that Garrett's training did Ward a lot of good, at least in regards to "pulling himself together". He turned an angry boy into a man. Were it not for the "BTW, I'm with HYDRA" thing, it would've been a great "coming of age" backstory.
 
I've thought that unlikely but possibly the producers could do a parallel universe episode/arc where Ward dies and his heroic doppelganger is stranded in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, thus allowing Dalton to remain a regular.
 
^Well...if they were to do that, it would be the first time the MCU were to deal with parallel universes, at least that I recall.

Besides...it's a Joss Whedon show. Cast members get killed off for real in a Joss Whedon show. It's just a matter of time.

And I'd just as soon it be Ward...since everyone's certain that's the only way he could redeem himself.
 
^ I expect Ward to die this season. I'm not entirely sure I expect him to redeem himself. They aren't always big on taking the most obvious path. If anything, I really expect him to join up with Raina (probably kidnap Skye to take her there).

Did you miss Wards explanation to Skye when he was contained for shooting Nash?

I didn't miss it. Did you miss the part where he said Nash was a threat and the harm to Skye wouldn't stop unless he killed Nash? I don't think he believed that since we agree that Ward knew Garrett was the Clairvoyant. Nash was a quadriplegic and a threat to nobody. So I need you to actually explain how killing Nash would have helped Skye because I honestly don't follow it unless Ward thought Nash was the Clairvoyant.
 
Did you miss Wards explanation to Skye when he was contained for shooting Nash?

I didn't miss it. Did you miss the part where he said Nash was a threat and the harm to Skye wouldn't stop unless he killed Nash? I don't think he believed that since we agree that Ward knew Garrett was the Clairvoyant. Nash was a quadriplegic and a threat to nobody. So I need you to actually explain how killing Nash would have helped Skye because I honestly don't follow it unless Ward thought Nash was the Clairvoyant.

Are we sure that Ward knew Garrett was the Clairvoyant?
 
I'm going to say "Yes".

I think it would be hilarious, if they did start exploring the multiverse, and the first thing they found was an Earth with nothing on it but Shrimp.
 
^ I expect Ward to die this season. I'm not entirely sure I expect him to redeem himself. They aren't always big on taking the most obvious path. If anything, I really expect him to join up with Raina (probably kidnap Skye to take her there).

Did you miss Wards explanation to Skye when he was contained for shooting Nash?

I didn't miss it. Did you miss the part where he said Nash was a threat and the harm to Skye wouldn't stop unless he killed Nash? I don't think he believed that since we agree that Ward knew Garrett was the Clairvoyant. Nash was a quadriplegic and a threat to nobody. So I need you to actually explain how killing Nash would have helped Skye because I honestly don't follow it unless Ward thought Nash was the Clairvoyant.

Nash could have believed he was the Clairvoyant. Nash needed GH324 just as much as Garrett, who probably put him on the task of monitoring Eye Spies in that regard (I have a feeling Garrett is keeping Cybertek off that, which would also explain why he had Raina handle his samples). Coulson believed Nash could have been a prop, but Nash was gifted enough to be noticed by Shield and Garrett could have been using his talents of prediction to set everything we saw in the first half of season one in motion (Garrett doesn't come off as a mastermind, he's just knows all the right people). Nash noted Poe gave him the name Clairvoyant and upon his death, Garrett could use it for the same means. Nash also knew if Shield took him in, Garrett would just break him out and he would have been free to keep assisting Garrett in finding the thing that would cure them both (including getting the answer from Skye's bone marrow). It's also possible that Nash gave the order to shoot Skye, to have Coulson lead Garrett to the cure, and give Garrett the opportunity to meet-up-with/keep-and-eye-on his agent during the ordeal (again, Garrett doesn't come off as the mastermind behind that).
 
^ Oh come on. Now who's speculating? All evidence said Nash was a quadriplegic who was determined by SHIELD not to have powers. The actual Clairvoyant had inside knowledge of SHIELD's personnel files. That's how he was able to say things as if he had knowledge. In fact, one of the things out of Nash's "mouth" (i.e., computers nearby that may or may not have been connected to Nash) was something Coulson told Ward. I'm not saying there's any definitive way to exclude your theory, but Occam's Razor certainly cuts in my direction.

^ I expect Ward to die this season.
The sooner the better, if you ask me.

I disagree about that. He's adding good drama to the story. That scene with Ward and Fitz was great. You don't want things like that?
 
Yeah, so far I'm liking Ward a lot this season.

We'll see if that changes if we start getting larger doses of him after he escapes.
 
Is it a safe enough assumption to make at the moment that the Playground's in the greater Washington-Arlington region?
 
^ Oh come on. Now who's speculating? ...

I was careful to use would, could, and perhaps in that regard, but the facts I spoke of back them up. Our arguments hinge on Coulson's beliefs. Coulson believed he could have been a prop. That doesn't mean he was or wasn't.

^ I expect Ward to die this season.
The sooner the better, if you ask me.

I disagree about that. He's adding good drama to the story. That scene with Ward and Fitz was great...

Agreed.
 
I'm blanking on this. Does Marvel Comics have longstanding portable and/or widely available teleporters/wormhole generators the way DC Comics has boom tubes, zeta beams, magic, etc.?
 
No technology obviously comes to mind.

People do come to mind...

Lila Chenney, Night Crawler, Spot, Cloak, Vanisher.

Cable's Bodysliding requiried an orbiting city.

I read something recently during a jail break from a S.H.I.E.L.D. jail, that there is an arms race in play, that new methods of teleportation have to be constantly invented because counters and blocks to the old methods are constantly being refined.
 
I'm not Marvel expert, but isn't Reed Richards the one who usually comes up with teleport type machines? Or am I thinking of inter-dimensional gateways?
 
No technology obviously comes to mind.

People do come to mind...

Lila Chenney, Night Crawler, Spot, Cloak, Vanisher.

Three of those five are out of bounds for MCU purposes (for now). The other two...well, Cloak and Blackout are linked by their power source in classic comics continuity.

(Is Cloak tied to the Spider-Man license?)
 
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