Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)
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He did it partly for Skye too. It caught Garret off guard.
Which doesn't change the fact that he's still trying to kill people and the only way to stop him at that point was to shoot him.
Mostly becuase people think their all HYDRA.
HYDRA was planning on murdering millions of innocent people as part of taking over the planet, SHIELD does questionable things to protect people and doesn't try to take over the world.
I thought the Winter Soldier covered this with Fury pointing out how full of crap Pierce was. Also Ward pointing out the SHIELD typical waits to make sure someone is a threat to other people before deciding if they have to kill them, and HYDRA just kills them becuase they won't join HYDRA.
Plus again HYDRA is a terrorist organization bent on world domination. SHIELD was an international law enforcement/spy agency. Kind of majorly different here.
Hydra took over 40 years ago.
In Winter Soldier they were finally given permission to shape the world into something worth ruling.
In Winter Soldier they were finally given permission to shape the world into something worth ruling.
That makes no sense. The only way he would be doing it for Skye is if he thought Nash's threats were real. The only way he could think Nash's threats were real is if he didn't know Garrett was the Clairvoyant. That contradicts everything we know. The only evidence he did it for Skye was what he said while undercover and what Garrett said while trying to explain his actions. Both of them had every incentive to let others think he did it for Skye when it was apparent the plan was to take them off the trail of the Clairvoyant.
I have no idea how this idea has lasted past Turn, Turn, Turn.
Because women think that he is handsome, and men think that he is the key to Skye taking her top off on camera.
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That's speculation. At no point was it said Ward shot Nash for Garrett and there was no point where Garrett had time to tell Ward to shoot the Clairvoyant.
It was said, however, that shooting Nash was just an attempt at distracting them and taking them off the trail of the real Clairvoyant. It's certainly no more speculative than the alternative that he thought Nash was the Clairvoyant (keep in mind Garrett didn't tell him to shoot the Clairvoyant, he told him to shoot Nash).
Do you think Ward didn't know who the Clairvoyant was?
I never said Ward thought Nash was the Clairvoyant.
Coulson speculated that Nash was killed to throw them off. He couldn't have known Ward shot him for Skye so that's all he could speculate. The point I was making was Ward didn't do everything for the mission. There were a few malicious acts he made.
Coulson speculated that Nash was killed to throw them off. He couldn't have known Ward shot him for Skye so that's all he could speculate. The point I was making was Ward didn't do everything for the mission. There were a few malicious acts he made.
Interesting: Fitz and Simmons were part of the graduating class of 2004.
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I didn't say you did. But you didn't say the opposite either. You still haven't actually answered my question. Do you think Ward didn't know who the Clairvoyant actually was?
Second question, you said he did it for Skye. How did what he did help Skye?
Skye was labouring under some false assumptions that she thought were facts.
By pretending her "fantasy" was valid, with a grain of salt, since he was part of the conspiracy that constructed it, Ward could change her emotional state from "scared" to "happy" by applying resolve to he correct triggers: Removing the bastard making her scared.
This is not abnormal behaviour for men in general practice.
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How things worked out, was it's Garrett's idea that "Ward murdered the guy for Skye" before they found the fake clairvoyant?
Ward was playing to script from his superior?
By pretending her "fantasy" was valid, with a grain of salt, since he was part of the conspiracy that constructed it, Ward could change her emotional state from "scared" to "happy" by applying resolve to he correct triggers: Removing the bastard making her scared.
This is not abnormal behaviour for men in general practice.
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How things worked out, was it's Garrett's idea that "Ward murdered the guy for Skye" before they found the fake clairvoyant?
Ward was playing to script from his superior?
Right. So a real-world equivalent example would be a brain tumor compromising the area of the brain that controls moral judgments-- such a person would have no conscience. If the brain tumor is removed (or the soul restored), the conscience returns. Ward has no such excuse that we know of.
Really? No, Ward knew Garret was the Clairvoyant. Now let me ask you a random ass question. Do you think Coulson is Santa Claus? (Failure to answer question means you do).
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I don't. Clark Gregg, maybe, but not Coulson.
But I really still don't understand how you said he did it for Skye. Can you please explain how killing Nash helped Skye?
But I really still don't understand how you said he did it for Skye. Can you please explain how killing Nash helped Skye?
That was all part of the role Ward was playing. It was set up earlier in the ep when Garrett fed Skye that "now he has something to fight for" line.
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