I'd honestly completely forgotten that EJO was coming to the show...that is so freaking awesome all over again!
Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)
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But is Hydra actually a Nazi orginization? I'd been kind of assuming they were a separate group that was simply working with the Nazi's during WWII. According to Wikipedia, the comics' orginization goes all the way back to Ancient Egypt, and the Renaissance. Is there anything to rule out that kind of history in the MCU?
And even if they did start out as Nazis during WWII, I think at this point it's pretty clear they've moved beyond Nazism to their own separate thing.
I think the burden of proof would go the other way. Captain America: The First Avenger pretty clearly established HYDRA as a research wing of the Nazis that the Red Skull turned into his own private empire, breaking ties with Hitler. There's not a shred of evidence in the movie universe that it existed before then -- and that ancient origin for HYDRA in the comics is a relatively recent retcon, if I'm not mistaken. (Seriously, though, why Ancient Egypt? It's named for a monster from Greek mythology!)
Well, there's the Ward/Skye argument all over again. Ward likes to think that HYDRA is untainted by its Nazi origins, but Skye rejected the idea that such a thing was possible.
Then again, wasn't Volkswagen created by the Nazis? Not to mention all the rocket science done by von Braun and the like. So yeah, maybe it's possible for something founded by the Nazis to shake off its racist aspects. But in this case we're talking about an evil organization bent on world conquest. I don't see them as the sort to go in for sensitivity training.
By now we've seen that Hydra is an organization that grows within other organizations...there's not reason for them to be beholden to the Nazi party line any more than they were faithful to SHIELD's ideals...especially after 70 years.
Baron Von Strucker?
Same guy since 1944 or Grandson?
Same guy since 1944 or Grandson?
Beholden to the Nazi party and grew from the Nazi party are two different things. Hydra has never been portrayed as beholden to the Nazi party.
I'm sure HYDRA will work with anyone they can exploit, but given that their whole purpose for existing is about evil and hatred and cruelty, I doubt they have a lot of concern for equal rights. Nazi or not-Nazi, it's not that important a distinction. They're still bad guys either way.
In the comics it's the same guy. Not sure what they're going to do in the MCU.
I'm going from memory here, but I remember most of his story from the comics.
First he was given an anti aging serum that extended his natural lifespan.
Then there were a few LMDs used by Hydra.
Eventually, he was resurrected by the Red Scull and, I believe, is still alive in present day.
Like I said I'm going from memory, so I'm a bit hazy on all the details, but it's the same guy.
The MCU version of Strucker is purely a contemporary figure, a former SHIELD agent recruited into HYDRA. He wasn't around during WWII like his comics namesake.
By the way, I hadn't realized that his right-hand man Dr. List, who appeared in this episode, was also in the Winter Soldier tag scene. That's one more movie character who's appeared in the show. Although the actor, Henry Goodman, was uncredited in TWS.
By the way, I hadn't realized that his right-hand man Dr. List, who appeared in this episode, was also in the Winter Soldier tag scene. That's one more movie character who's appeared in the show. Although the actor, Henry Goodman, was uncredited in TWS.
Not like another show I could name that killed off a major character and then ignored it.
And that show is....?
Maybe, but Ward never had any particular interest in HYDRA, and now seems more interested in getting back into SHIELD's good graces.
Yes, I hate the "shocking death of a major character" gimmick. Here, at least, it was dealt with on an adult level.My favorite part of the episode. Particularly loved it when Skye and Gemma imitated Tripp's soft southern accent, "c'mon girrrrrl". This is the way you deal with an important character's death, you show it's impact on his friends, family, and colleagues. Not like another show I could name that killed off a major character and then ignored it.
Damn, I also forgot EJO will be appearing on the show later on. This theory makes even more sense, although I agree with others that it'll probably tie into AoU in some way.
I hope the showmakers know what they're doing...if they pit EJO against Coulson, I'm liable to root for EJO....
Especially if he's armed (faced?) with the 'Stache.
It's kind of funny how after HYDRA members were going off about how SHIELD was doomed and how unstoppable HYDRA was, that SHIELD just strolls in and wipes out a chunk of their leadership.
Better yet- doing a mind game and having Hydra kill off it's leadership by itself and then head shoot the last remaining one...
I like the suggestion that Edward James Olmos might be the character that Bobbi and Mack are working for. It would certainly be a good introduction that would set him up as a major player right from his first appearance.
As for all the folks wondering if it's Stark/Hill, that's possible too, but you're forgetting one very obvious possibility: Bobbi and Mack just think they're helping Stark/Hill, but their real master is Ultron.
As for all the folks wondering if it's Stark/Hill, that's possible too, but you're forgetting one very obvious possibility: Bobbi and Mack just think they're helping Stark/Hill, but their real master is Ultron.
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