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Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)
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It was a very comicbook history-heavy special. Though of course since they had to cram it all in an hour plus commercials plus movie clips and previews, they couldn't go into a ton of detail. That said, it was awesome to see Steranko and Starlin and all those classic creators on network tv, and it was also nice to see so much positive said about Kirby, a sure sign that the peace treaty has been signed. Would have been nice to see more Bill Everett, though you can probably say that about a ton of folks, there's only so many ways you can cram 75 years into a short program.
Not a ton of new stuff was shown. For people yet to watch it, I'll hide the surprise behind spoilers:
All in all, it was a nice special, and I think my favorite part about it was seeing people beyond just the famous trio of Lee-Kirby-Ditko get named and credited for helping to create and build this Marvel Universe we all love so much.
(And now that I think about it, Todd McFarlane was in there a lot, wasn't he? Would be nice if that were a sign of future collaboration, but I doubt it.)
Not a ton of new stuff was shown. For people yet to watch it, I'll hide the surprise behind spoilers:
The best thing they showed was a full clip from Agent Carter. It sounds like a clip they showed at NYCC.
They didn't really show much of anything from the Netflix shows. Just a still of Matt Murdock.
From the movies, they showed some new behind-the-scenes footage from Ant-Man. Some shots of Rudd and Douglas filming some scenes that looked like they'll be important or notable parts of the film.
Some similar footage from the Age of Ultron set. We saw brief glimpses of most of the heroes, but none of the shots were finished movie-quality or anything.
They didn't really show much of anything from the Netflix shows. Just a still of Matt Murdock.
From the movies, they showed some new behind-the-scenes footage from Ant-Man. Some shots of Rudd and Douglas filming some scenes that looked like they'll be important or notable parts of the film.
Some similar footage from the Age of Ultron set. We saw brief glimpses of most of the heroes, but none of the shots were finished movie-quality or anything.
All in all, it was a nice special, and I think my favorite part about it was seeing people beyond just the famous trio of Lee-Kirby-Ditko get named and credited for helping to create and build this Marvel Universe we all love so much.
(And now that I think about it, Todd McFarlane was in there a lot, wasn't he? Would be nice if that were a sign of future collaboration, but I doubt it.)
The local affiliate in Boston showed election coverage and bumped the network programming to their sub-channel that normally carries MeTV.
I thought the chronology was a bit off...e.g., they'd have Agent 13 do a voiceover about Jim Shooter taking over in 1978, then do a montage about developments in the early 70s.
I'm probably going to get hit over the head with rubber chicken or dead salmon for this, but, what if they do make Ward back into a "good" guy. I don't want it, myself, but let's just finish this post.
How many people has Black Widow killed? Loki certainly could have been lying, but she admits she did things that were not good. She seems to firmly be a good guy. Why can't Ward, too? He was a hired killer for SHIELD even before HYDRA broke loose, he was just supposed to be on the good side. He's a one man squad, just like May and Mockingbird. I'm not sure if Coulson can just throw away an asset like that no matter what he's done.
So there's that. I'm waiting to see which way this goes, this is the first time in a long time I'm watching a show that I can't safely predict every damn thing that happens by episode end.
How many people has Black Widow killed? Loki certainly could have been lying, but she admits she did things that were not good. She seems to firmly be a good guy. Why can't Ward, too? He was a hired killer for SHIELD even before HYDRA broke loose, he was just supposed to be on the good side. He's a one man squad, just like May and Mockingbird. I'm not sure if Coulson can just throw away an asset like that no matter what he's done.
So there's that. I'm waiting to see which way this goes, this is the first time in a long time I'm watching a show that I can't safely predict every damn thing that happens by episode end.
I picked up on that bad transition as well.
The 40-60's era stuff felt very chronological, if rushed due to time constraints, which I get.
Then this part. Not a smooth transition and it skipped the 80's going straight to late 90's and the Bankruptcy situation.
Then boom Civil War and finished with the TV/Movie clips.
It's a valid question, if only cause several offline real world friends and I have discussed this exact same thing.
Staying strictly MCU and not delving into the fact that also in the comics Clint started on the wrong side also(but in the MCU as far as we know he's always been just a SHIELD agent).
Black Widow's crimes aren't personal, to us. Ward feels like a betrayal and admits to NOT being brainwashed. Widow has had her mind "taken out and twisted" so we have that leeway to say that perhaps her actions were not entirely her own.
Ward though is just twisted and he used us(the team) for his own evil schemes with Garrett and Hydra.
That's what we came up with.
^ Let's get back to Black Widow in second.
Suppose we have two army snipers. Both very good at their jobs. One is a thoughtful, compassionate person who realizes what he does will save lives on the field and he is helping end the conflict that much sooner. The other is a sociopath with a touch of megalomania who enjoys killing because he feels superhuman with each kill.
They are both engaging in the same act. There is no difference whether one pulls the trigger or the other. And before anyone misinterprets me, I am not saying that Natasha is the compassionate sniper and Ward is the sociopath. I am explaining why I feel that the actions they took have less importance than their motives and the level of regret they feel afterwards. The difference is who the person is inside and what drives them. Okay, back to Black Widow.
What we have of her past is really just a couple of lines in two films. There really isn't a lot of character development there, just teasers. Compared to Ward who's character development has been a major ongoing plot point over at least the last half of season one, and all of season two so far. So this is really an apples/oranges comparison, but let's do what we can with it.
With Natasha we have very clear statements of regret over her past actions and a desire to account for it. From what little we have heard from her, if she had a chance to do it all over again, she would do it much differently and have some lines she wouldn't cross. That, or we can acknowledge that she was under some form of brain washing.
With Ward, if he was back in time and with Garrett, his actions would be just the same. He has no regrets in the same way that Natasha does. If he has switched his loyalty to Skye, it is really no different. If Skye asked him to fire bomb an orphanage as a distraction he would do it and feel no regret.
Suppose we have two army snipers. Both very good at their jobs. One is a thoughtful, compassionate person who realizes what he does will save lives on the field and he is helping end the conflict that much sooner. The other is a sociopath with a touch of megalomania who enjoys killing because he feels superhuman with each kill.
They are both engaging in the same act. There is no difference whether one pulls the trigger or the other. And before anyone misinterprets me, I am not saying that Natasha is the compassionate sniper and Ward is the sociopath. I am explaining why I feel that the actions they took have less importance than their motives and the level of regret they feel afterwards. The difference is who the person is inside and what drives them. Okay, back to Black Widow.
What we have of her past is really just a couple of lines in two films. There really isn't a lot of character development there, just teasers. Compared to Ward who's character development has been a major ongoing plot point over at least the last half of season one, and all of season two so far. So this is really an apples/oranges comparison, but let's do what we can with it.
With Natasha we have very clear statements of regret over her past actions and a desire to account for it. From what little we have heard from her, if she had a chance to do it all over again, she would do it much differently and have some lines she wouldn't cross. That, or we can acknowledge that she was under some form of brain washing.
With Ward, if he was back in time and with Garrett, his actions would be just the same. He has no regrets in the same way that Natasha does. If he has switched his loyalty to Skye, it is really no different. If Skye asked him to fire bomb an orphanage as a distraction he would do it and feel no regret.
Just saw the Marvel special which i liked very much because it went into the history of Marvel instead of just patting themselves on the shoulder because they came up with the MCU.
At one point Emily VanCamp walks past Lola and touches her and i yelled out "Don't touch Lola!"
I'm such a nerd.
At one point Emily VanCamp walks past Lola and touches her and i yelled out "Don't touch Lola!"
I'm such a nerd.
I was looking for some reaction from Emily that Sharon Carter/Agent 13 is Peggy Carter's niece.
"Sigh"
"Sigh"
Not on Hulu Plus yet.
I guess they'll save that for Cap 3 (if they even have the time to include a love story in the movie) but i believe she was a nice nod to the fans in Cap 2 and a cool character in itself. However i doubt there'll be much more coming on that front but it was nice to see Steve Rogers is not just a supersoldier but also a regular guy when out of uniform who is interested in more than saving the world.
At one point Emily VanCamp walks past Lola and touches her and i yelled out "Don't touch Lola!"
I'm such a nerd.
I did the same thing.
I loved Nocenti's work on Daredevil and I know she was involved in X-Men for awhile. But she never quite made her mark in a way that was easy to throw in for a 45 minute special. You inevitably have to leave someone out. I think Frank Miller only got a mention regarding the maturing of comics (with Daredevil). I don't think he got any other mention.
I was saddened the Rob Liefeld's name got mentioned three or four times, though.
If Peggy and Howard did it.
Think Mad Men.
Men thought cheating was sport.
No biggy.
Too drunk to remember as well.
The wives were also to drunk to care.
Simpler times.
Peggy being responsible would have asked her older married sister to raise the bastard as her own.
Agent 13 is Tony Stark's sister.
Season 4 of Agent Carter will be like the final season of China Beach.
Splicing the "war years" with the present, as an adult in modern day (Van Camp) tries to figure out where the hell she came from and the ####ed up events surrounding her birth and fumble during those "(cold)war years".
Think Mad Men.
Men thought cheating was sport.
No biggy.
Too drunk to remember as well.
The wives were also to drunk to care.
Simpler times.
Peggy being responsible would have asked her older married sister to raise the bastard as her own.
Agent 13 is Tony Stark's sister.
Season 4 of Agent Carter will be like the final season of China Beach.
Splicing the "war years" with the present, as an adult in modern day (Van Camp) tries to figure out where the hell she came from and the ####ed up events surrounding her birth and fumble during those "(cold)war years".
I know Liefeld get a lot of shit and well deserved. He however was a machine that turned out a lot of work. He kept a lot of Marvel's books on time for their monthly publications.
I don't disagree with that. I just feel he sums up the problem with 90s comics in general. But artistically and in a design sense. I'm not faulting his work ethic or trying to imply he didn't care about a quality product. I just don't think he achieved the end result.
Founding Image and delivering most of their first books months late caused a string of bankruptcies across America almost murdering the entire industry
Liefeld earned his place in history.
Liefeld earned his place in history.
Just seeing the name Liefeld gives me a stomach ache.
I wonder if they mentioned any of the guys who really brought comics into the adult world, like Englehart, Moench, McGregor, Wolfman, and Gerber.
I wonder if they mentioned any of the guys who really brought comics into the adult world, like Englehart, Moench, McGregor, Wolfman, and Gerber.
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