Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

[Ethros]

Well, at least one of the helicarrier crew was seen as a SHIELD agent in CA:TWS.

I was wondering about that. Wasn't he the tech who stood up to Rumlow after Cap's speech and refused to launch the helicarriers?

I can't find the link, but yeah it's the same guy.


Good episode, only thing was I'd been assuming Gonzales would die before the season end, as I didn't see EJO been on the show full time. I figured it would be in the season finale but it came a bit earlier.

 

[UssGlenn]

IIRC Bobbie's quinjet wasn't part of the real mission, Fake May just told her it was.

 

[Forbin]

They were supposed to scout ahead, I think.

 

[Reverend]

^The quinjets could be running on arch technology and may be able to run indefinitely.

Did nobody question why Jiaying wasn't all that bothered that Cal was a murderer? I think it might be because as far as she's concerned (most) humans don't count. They're inferior and they're a natural enemy and always will be. Right now she's basically Magneto. Even has the lovely first hand experience with Nazis (no, we're not starting that discussion again!)

Maybe he derived the crazy sauce from her blood.

Rev wins the thread this week.

In fairness, it's only right that I concede that I did not see the freaky stone T-1000 tablet coming. I'd assuming the reason they (the show) were keeping it's nature quite was that it was something known to the audience.

I this a thing from the comics BTW? My knowledge of Inhuman lore is pretty much limited to what I skimmed from the Marvel wiki. I want to say it reminded me of that scene in GotG where Ronan emerged from a pool of black liquid, but that seems more like a coincidence than a connection. Now that I think about it, wasn't there a tablet or monolith like this in Odin's weapons vault?

I can't remember anything like it in the comics off hand but are you talking about this stone in Odin's trophy room?

Good memory. It's "The Tablet of Life and Time". They don't look that similar but it's the best guess we have so far.

Yeah they're probably not related. Jiaying said it was a Kree weapon. Is there any shapeshifting thing in the comics like this? The Kree equivalent of a sentinel perhaps?
Wasn't there some nano-tech virus thing called Phalanx? I suppose it could be something to do with the Venom symbiont now that they have the rights to Spider-Man back. Would they really skip the whole black costume thing and go straight for Agent Venom?

Small aside, but did I imagine it, or did the arrangement of square indentations change between it liquefying and re-solidifying? Could it be trying to communicate? Did it react like that because it detected the presence of Inhumans?

It seems the biggest glaring flaw in the episode is one many are noticing: Two agent Mays?
What, no one noticed?

Other than that I was extremely thrilled with last nights episodes.

Yeah, that seemed odd to me too, but I imagine it'll be accounted for in the next episode with some throwaway line about how whoever was supposed to fly that jet was found knocked out/dead.
They couldn't really do that in this episode since nobody knows Bobbie is even missing yet and with what just went down in Afterlife, they'll likely have their hands full. One assumes this will end with Hunter going after Bobbie and most likely putting Ward down for good. I mean they can't possibly keep him on the show after this can they?

 

[Marsden]

The squares did move as the shape shifted.

For a moment I thought it was the Gravitonium in there. I wonder when that's going to show up again.


The only thing that occurred to me was the number 47, wasn't that the number of one of the Kree Sentries?




edit: Nope, sorry. Sentry They all have 3 digit numbers.



Reverend may have one for the week but Old Mixer is 1st runner up with this post.

The girl who cried hedgehog.

I got a very satisfying chuckle from that.

 

[bbjeg]

^I had a feeling that the gravitonium would have a part in the last aired episode, and I doubt it will be in the season finale. I guess we'll have to wait until next season to see it.

... Jiaying said it was a Kree weapon. Is there any shapeshifting thing in the comics like this? The Kree equivalent of a sentinel perhaps?
Wasn't there some nano-tech virus thing called Phalanx? I suppose it could be something to do with the Venom symbiont now that they have the rights to Spider-Man back. Would they really skip the whole black costume thing and go straight for Agent Venom?

...

I think the Phalanx are more tied to X-Men and Venom had nothing to do with the Kree IIRC.

 

[Reverend]

Wait, wasn't that post-Avengers One Shot called "Item 47"? But IIRC that was just a Chitauri blaster, so it's either a coincidence or just a nod.

... Jiaying said it was a Kree weapon. Is there any shapeshifting thing in the comics like this? The Kree equivalent of a sentinel perhaps?
Wasn't there some nano-tech virus thing called Phalanx? I suppose it could be something to do with the Venom symbiont now that they have the rights to Spider-Man back. Would they really skip the whole black costume thing and go straight for Agent Venom?

...

I think the Phalanx are more tied to X-Men and Venom had nothing to do with the Kree IIRC.

Isn't the origin of the symbiont still kept something of a mystery? Even so, there's no reason why they can't re-purpose the concept if they so choose.

As for the gravitonium: I did wonder what became of it and Quinn (have they even been mentioned since we last saw them?) But I don't think they're connected. This thing was giving off energy readings unlike anything SHIELD had ever seen and they've seen gravitonium before.

 

[DEWLine]

So...wondering if they were planning on rebuilding the "64" bridge set for AoU alone, or if there are longer-ranging plans. Because rebuilding something that big for maybe two minutes of screen time...?

 

[Rincewiend]

Is the character being used in an upcoming movie?

The Inhumans movie?!?

Is there an Inhumans movie coming?

 

[Kemaiku]

Looks like the site I looked at put it at a year too late, probably someone not getting the 8 and 9 right.

Neat, AoS should be at about season 6 by then.

 

[kitik]

Is there any shapeshifting thing in the comics like this?

I can think of one shape-shifting thing in the comics that likes to kill Kree...


Of course we've been wondering for years whether Skrulls would belong to the MCU or the Fantastic Four on the movie side of things. Perhaps it would be split rights, similar to Pietro and Wanda.

And of course, we usually don't see Skrulls disguised as stone tablets or whatever, but maybe in the MCU that stone form is how they "sleep during hyperspace" or something like that.


You have to admit, bringing the Kree, Inhumans, and Skrulls to earth all on AOS would be pretty funny, since AOS was sold as the non-powered common person's street-level look at the MCU, and here it could potentially open up the whole cosmic side of all sort of aliens and stuff.

Now that said, it's probably not a Skrull. But wouldn't that be fun?



And yeah, my very first thought when they showed the black mass shifting was also Graviton. But then I quickly realized it couldn't be Dr Hall.

 

[kitik]

Looks like the site I looked at put it at a year too late, probably someone not getting the 8 and 9 right.

Neat, AoS should be at about season 6 by then.

The release dates for Thor, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and Inhumans shifted when Spider-Man joined the MCU a few months ago. Those 4 movies basically got pushed back 6 months each, to make room for Spidey.

So Inhumans is now scheduled for July 2019.

 

[Christopher]

ComicsAlliance keeps a running list/infographic of all the announced/scheduled superhero flicks for the rest of the decade. Here's the chart as of two weeks ago.

So...wondering if they were planning on rebuilding the "64" bridge set for AoU alone, or if there are longer-ranging plans. Because rebuilding something that big for maybe two minutes of screen time...?

In movies, they do that all the time. Look at Star Trek: The Motion Picture's recreation deck. It was used in two scenes (with pieces of it recycled as the officer's lounge when they ran out of money to build that set) and then never seen again in any subsequent production.

Movie sets are generally a lot flimsier than they look. They're designed to be used for a few days or weeks and then torn down to make room for the next set. That's true for sets of any size.

Besides, we know that over 50 minutes of Whedon's original cut ended up excised from the film. Maybe there's more stuff on the bridge in that version. Filmmakers don't know how much of what they shoot may or may not end up in the final film. There are surely cases where entire sets were built and used for scenes that were cut out of the finished film altogether. (Going back to ST:TMP, there was the set for the abandoned Memory Wall sequence.)

 

[Masiral]

lol, Raina was right! She was telling the truth trying to save them.

I think she was still manipulating things to put herself in power. She may have been right, but she used the truth for selfish ends, not to save anyone.

Did nobody question why Jiaying wasn't all that bothered that Cal was a murderer? I think it might be because as far as she's concerned (most) humans don't count. They're inferior and they're a natural enemy and always will be. Right now she's basically Magneto. Even has the lovely first hand experience with Nazis (no, we're not starting that discussion again!)

I think Reinhardt/Whitehall would actually count as a Nazi, unlike modern-day HYDRA operatives like Ward.

 

[Silvercrest]

Is there any shapeshifting thing in the comics like this?

I can think of one shape-shifting thing in the comics ...

Yes, but the block wasn't green and purple.

And yeah, my very first thought when they showed the black mass shifting was also Graviton. But then I quickly realized it couldn't be Dr Hall.

I thought of him too, and now I can't remember where we saw him last.

 

[Captain Craig]

^^^^
Graviton being absorbed by the Gravitonium was very, very early in Season 1. I'd wager as early as episode 4,5or6. I still can't believe that haven't revisited that, especially after Hydra broke The Fridge open.

 

[Reverend]

Is there any shapeshifting thing in the comics like this?

I can think of one shape-shifting thing in the comics that likes to kill Kree...


Of course we've been wondering for years whether Skrulls would belong to the MCU or the Fantastic Four on the movie side of things. Perhaps it would be split rights, similar to Pietro and Wanda.

And of course, we usually don't see Skrulls disguised as stone tablets or whatever, but maybe in the MCU that stone form is how they "sleep during hyperspace" or something like that.


You have to admit, bringing the Kree, Inhumans, and Skrulls to earth all on AOS would be pretty funny, since AOS was sold as the non-powered common person's street-level look at the MCU, and here it could potentially open up the whole cosmic side of all sort of aliens and stuff.

Now that said, it's probably not a Skrull. But wouldn't that be fun?

In this case I tend to agree it's probably not a Skrull since this is supposedly something made by the Kree to kill Inhumans.

As far the rights go; I'm pretty sure they're available. IIRC the reason they used the Chitauri instead of Skrulls in Avengers was precisely because they needed the army to be disposable, plot-wise. Evidentially they thought it prudent to save the Skrulls for another day.

One interesting thing of note about the Skrulls: as a race of aliens that can look exactly like humans, they're very doable on a TV budget.

In all seriousness I can see them going down that route at some point along the way. Maybe they get wind that the old Kree super soldier program isn't as dead as they thought and decide to either get their retaliation in first, or take the weapon for themselves?

Anyway, a new possibility just occured to me. This thing is "something" Kree and powerful enough to go after a whole race of enhanced beings. Could it be Mar-Vel? Could we already be laying the groundwork for Captain Danvers?

^^^^
Graviton being absorbed by the Gravitonium was very, very early in Season 1. I'd wager as early as episode 4,5or6. I still can't believe that haven't revisited that, especially after Hydra broke The Fridge open.

It's possible they had planned on bringing it back, but decided to do other things instead. Or they're playing a long game...or totally forgot about the whole thing.

 

[Turtletrekker]

We met Franklin Hall in 1.03, "The Asset". WE haven't heard from him, Ian Quinn or the gravitonium all season.

 

[Richard Baker]

So...wondering if they were planning on rebuilding the "64" bridge set for AoU alone, or if there are longer-ranging plans. Because rebuilding something that big for maybe two minutes of screen time...?

'Once Upon a Time' uses virtual sets very well- huge palace rooms which would cost far too much to build for just a couple of scenes are created in the computer and the only 'real' objects might be a couple of chairs and a section of a table for the actors to work with.

 

[kitik]

Anyway, a new possibility just occured to me. This thing is "something" Kree and powerful enough to go after a whole race of enhanced beings. Could it be Mar-Vel? Could we already be laying the groundwork for Captain Danvers?

Possible. One important thing to keep in mind here is that we should not believe what Jiaying told us.

For all we know, she imprisoned Black Bolt in that block 1000 years ago, and he's been trying to get out ever since. No clue how that would work, but just trying to make the point that what she said about the block is not necessarily true. She may have some super-villain reasons for being afraid of that stone.