Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

[Marsden]

I thought it was that little cabin in the very last scene of Incredible Hulk when Norton! Banner was meditating and seemed to trigger his change willfully rather than from external events making him change.


Don't know how he could have at that point, but I don't like to obsess that much.

 

[Reverend]

^Well if it is the same tech as the Bus's "cage" then that is supposedly made of some advanced vibranium alloy. That stuff alone doesn't exactly grow on trees. Indeed Cap's shield represents the Allied Forces entire vibranium stockpile. Frankly it'd be more credible of the cabin was lined with gold and platinum.

Another alternative is that Banner really did build the actual wood cabin and SHIELD later modified it for him after NY. Still doesn't quite line up with the idea of Cap staying there early on.

 

[DEWLine]

Would that mean that the Retreat is in fact in British Columbia?

 

[DEWLine]

I could see some retrofitting going on, but if Coulson's telling Skye the truth about Rogers having used the Retreat, as well as Weaver being truthful in calling it "the House That Banner Built", then I'd guess that Banner was given the place to experiment with retrofits he designed after the Battle of New York.

 

[DEWLine]

Couple of Olmos-related items with possible spoilers:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/agents-shield-edward-james-olmos-785169

http://ca.eonline.com/news/641054/w...h-i-e-l-d-one-of-the-high-points-of-my-career

 

[DWF]

Wouldn't the Hulk Fist-print in Skye's safehouse be considered a materials test?

Different box. The one on the hellicarrier was mostly made out of some transparent material, while the panelling in the cabin looked exactly like the isolation room on The Bus.

Besides, it's a bit unclear as to when and how that cabin was built. Coulson mentioned that Cap stayed there for a while after defrosting, so that would mean it was built some time prior to Avengers. By all accounts, aside from the Harlem incident Banner had been in the wind since the day after his first "episode". So it seems unlikely he built it with the co-operation of SHIELD and indeed the look of the thing seems similar enough to the one at the end of TIH that it's probably meant to be the same place, which raises the question exactly how he built it and with what resources? He was essentially homeless and destitute for years during that time.

I suppose it's possible Coulson was just lying about it being where Cap stayed, not wanting to freak Sky out be telling her he was putting her in a Hulk proof cage. That would allow for it to be built *after* the Battle of New York when Banner has access to Stark's resources

...or maybe it was a half truth in that Cap did stay there after helping Banner build it, but not *immediately* after waking up.

The idea of Cap. staying in that cabin sounds like a callback to one of the deleted scenes from The Incredible Hulk. The scene where Banner tried to kill himself, he changed into the Hulk and destroyed part of an iceberg, but the scene cuts off before revealing that Cap. was in the ice.

 

[Reverend]

Wouldn't the Hulk Fist-print in Skye's safehouse be considered a materials test?

Different box. The one on the hellicarrier was mostly made out of some transparent material, while the panelling in the cabin looked exactly like the isolation room on The Bus.

Besides, it's a bit unclear as to when and how that cabin was built. Coulson mentioned that Cap stayed there for a while after defrosting, so that would mean it was built some time prior to Avengers. By all accounts, aside from the Harlem incident Banner had been in the wind since the day after his first "episode". So it seems unlikely he built it with the co-operation of SHIELD and indeed the look of the thing seems similar enough to the one at the end of TIH that it's probably meant to be the same place, which raises the question exactly how he built it and with what resources? He was essentially homeless and destitute for years during that time.

I suppose it's possible Coulson was just lying about it being where Cap stayed, not wanting to freak Sky out be telling her he was putting her in a Hulk proof cage. That would allow for it to be built *after* the Battle of New York when Banner has access to Stark's resources

...or maybe it was a half truth in that Cap did stay there after helping Banner build it, but not *immediately* after waking up.

The idea of Cap. staying in that cabin sounds like a callback to one of the deleted scenes from The Incredible Hulk. The scene where Banner tried to kill himself, he changed into the Hulk and destroyed part of an iceberg, but the scene cuts off before revealing that Cap. was in the ice.

^I'm not sure I see the correlation...besides them both being places that both Banner and Rogers visited.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Banner built it, and then the government seized it, because Banner is a criminal who is not allowed to own things or have money.

Same rules as after a drug dealer is caught.

The government takes everything that they can tie to a criminal act.

If Banner is one of the 7 smartest men on the planet (Was it men or people? I'm suddenly questioning the sexism of that groupling. Do they mean people when they say "men" or are girls not even allowed to put their names forward for consideration? Just to be sure, this smartest men thing was (originally) about a cometition set up by a breakfast cerial company (Wait? that turned out to be a recruitment drive for A.I.M.?) and not to be taken as overly seriously as Amedeus Cho did, although when Amadeus told Hank Pym that he, Amadeus Cho, was the 7th smartest man on the planet, Pym the Scientist Supreme, replied "I've been off world for a while, now that I'm back, you're probably only the 8th smartest man in the world") ...Shit? what was my point?

Banner could learn to be a world class hacker overnight if he hasn't already, taking money from any one he felt like, and giving it to any one else he felt like for shits and giggles.

 

[Sci]

Speculation: Perhaps the Iliad was carrying a number of nuclear missiles (like the Avengers Hellicarrier). Hydra is scary enough as is; Hydra with a nuke would be a nightmare.

 

[kitik]

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/04/06/empire-leads-adults-18-49-viewership-gains-the-originals-tops-percentage-increases-in-live-7-ratings-for-week-26-ending-march-22/385364/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Tvbythenumbers+%28TVbytheNumbers%29

Just a friendly little reminder here that Agents of SHIELD is doing just fine in the ratings. 5th biggest gain of the week when looking at 7-day dvr viewership. It would be a surprise if it didn't get renewed for next year.

Shield's ratings also seem to be ahead of Agent Carter's, so while I know some people were speculating/hoping that Agent Carter would get the full-season order and Shield would be relegated to part-time fill-in, don't expect that to happen.

 

[Reverend]

Speculation: Perhaps the Iliad was carrying a number of nuclear missiles (like the Avengers Hellicarrier). Hydra is scary enough as is; Hydra with a nuke would be a nightmare.

A nuke seems a bit mundane by the standards of this universe, no?

I keep thinking it might have something to do with the up coming AoU, But I can't think what. We already now that Hydra already have the staff and what we may presume is the "mind" infinity gem. Perhaps it's Stark's mk1 Ultron robot/AI brain, or something to do with The Vision?

Would be ironic after all their talk of alien threats and the like that they're the ones to end up setting something loose on the world.

 

[Sci]

Speculation: Perhaps the Iliad was carrying a number of nuclear missiles (like the Avengers Hellicarrier). Hydra is scary enough as is; Hydra with a nuke would be a nightmare.

A nuke seems a bit mundane by the standards of this universe, no?

Only in comparison to, say, the Power Stone from Guardians of the Galaxy or other ship-mounted energy weapons from alien spacecraft. Even as devastating as the Chitauri invasion of Manhattan was, it wasn't as powerful as a hydrogen bomb.

Really, the only comparable weapon wielded by Humans would be the Project Insight Hellicarriers.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Speculation: Perhaps the Iliad was carrying a number of nuclear missiles (like the Avengers Hellicarrier). Hydra is scary enough as is; Hydra with a nuke would be a nightmare.

Hydra has nukes.

They'd be ####ing clown shoes if they didn't.

 

[Reverend]

Speculation: Perhaps the Iliad was carrying a number of nuclear missiles (like the Avengers Hellicarrier). Hydra is scary enough as is; Hydra with a nuke would be a nightmare.

Hydra has nukes.

They'd be ####ing clown shoes if they didn't.

And if they didn't already have them, they could build them in their sleep. Besides, nuking random cities just isn't in Hydra's best interest, they're out to rule the world, not destroy it.

Regardless, they wouldn't be so cryptic if all they were carry is a shipment of tactical nukes and it'd be one hell of an anti-climax if that's all it turned out to be.

 

[The Old Mixer]

HYDRA has a nuke! And their ransom for not using it is...

...one million dollars...!

 

[Gaith]

Coulson mentioned in S1 that the Blonsky is confined somewhere in Alaska.

I agree the cargo is likely some sort of AoU tie-in. Maybe Loki's scepter? Meaning that the mid-credits scene of CA:TWS hasn't yet happened?

 

[Richard Baker]

I know they are trying to integrate the movie universe with the TV show but I do wish they would not make watching the Marvel films a prerequisite to understanding to what is going on with the series.
Of those films I have seen the first two Iron Mans, the first Thor, the first Avengers and the First Captain America. I will get a chance to watch the others when they stream on Hulu/Netflix/Amazon but I cannot afford to see them in the theater and I buy food for my kids instead of DVDs these days.
I can see making this all one big happy show in different media but also feel each work should be able to stand on it's own. I love AoS but am not well versed in the Comic lore- for me Skye was an interesting character who got a new power last half-season, the only thing I know about her father and herself is what was broadcast. I can see how this may limit the scope of the show but then again I do not need to reconcile prior knowledge with the way things are presented in the show either.

As to what may be in the Carrier important enough to scuttle to keep out of enemy hands, well most of the suggestions offered here I do not understand. I do think it is interesting that it was kept on board a ship instead of some underground super safe facility. To me that means part of it's value could be as a deployable asset- being mobile is important instead of just storage...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Or even cold? If it's right on the bottom most level.

Why am I thinking Atlantean prison?

Richard, Marvel will not be happy until you jump over your back fence and steal everything that is not nailed down to pay for movie tickets and merch. It's a love affair, and you have to prove your love with money, like any other love affair.

The real chink in Marvels armour about how it wants to somehow bilk out of us hundreds of dollars a week is that it's so easy to watch their movies for free, or not give a toss about international release dates for their TV, to allow ourselves to absorb the advertising they want us to absorb while watching Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter.

I saw a movie recently (which was actually about Time Travel.).

Woman "I realized that I loved you that day in Hawaii when we swam with Dolphins."

Man "You love me because I'm rich?"

Woman "No, of course not, I love you because of how you chose to spend your money."

 

[Marsden]

...but I cannot afford to see them in the theater and I buy food for my kids instead of DVDs these days.

You, sir, need to get your priorities corrected!

HYDRA has a nuke! And their ransom for not using it is...

...one million dollars...!

One... Hundred... BILLION DOLLARS!




Hey, what if that carrier has all those Chitari weapons that SHIELD gathered up after the Battle of New York? I know Jasper was putting them somewhere and nobody has mentioned them lately.

 

[Reverend]

Coulson mentioned in S1 that the Blonsky is confined somewhere in Alaska.

I agree the cargo is likely some sort of AoU tie-in. Maybe Loki's scepter? Meaning that the mid-credits scene of CA:TWS hasn't yet happened?

No, that scene clearly took place in the immediate aftermath of TWS, so they've had the sceptre for a while already.

As for Blonsky being in Alaska: see below. I still think an Ultron tie in is more likely mind, but it's not the only possibility.

I know they are trying to integrate the movie universe with the TV show but I do wish they would not make watching the Marvel films a prerequisite to understanding to what is going on with the series.
Of those films I have seen the first two Iron Mans, the first Thor, the first Avengers and the First Captain America. I will get a chance to watch the others when they stream on Hulu/Netflix/Amazon but I cannot afford to see them in the theater and I buy food for my kids instead of DVDs these days.
I can see making this all one big happy show in different media but also feel each work should be able to stand on it's own. I love AoS but am not well versed in the Comic lore- for me Skye was an interesting character who got a new power last half-season, the only thing I know about her father and herself is what was broadcast. I can see how this may limit the scope of the show but then again I do not need to reconcile prior knowledge with the way things are presented in the show either.

To be fair the whole point of cross promotion is to encourage people to consume as much of their products as possible. This shared continuity thing wasn't just started because it'd be cool: it was a canny business strategy. Indeed, people going to these movies that they might not otherwise have bothered with is what's paying for this rodeo and how they're able to keep making slightly riskier projects knowing that the guaranteed take for the Avengers movie can off-set the difference.

As to what may be in the Carrier important enough to scuttle to keep out of enemy hands, well most of the suggestions offered here I do not understand. I do think it is interesting that it was kept on board a ship instead of some underground super safe facility. To me that means part of it's value could be as a deployable asset- being mobile is important instead of just storage...

It's referred to as cargo, so it's possible they're simply transporting it from one place to another presumably more secure/secret location/facility.