Nah, I don't think it was that out of character. She's a fairly cold-blooded person. Just because she isn't HYDRA doesn't mean there aren't concerns for her character.
Yes, forgot about that. But I don't think the character to whom you refer, is equal to Ward. The Dollhouse character could not have been called the show's male lead or second male lead, and definitely was not the guy who was destined to be romantically involved with the show's female lead.Who was that character?
Boyd - Who was the main character's handler/body guard/ally for the entire two seasons of the show turned out to be the ultimate big bad of the entire series
But the Dollhouse producers did take a sizable risk with that move and as you stated, it certainly is no coincidence that both these show's are Whedon joints.
Did you think that it was out of character for Hand to suddenly decide to kill Garrett? Weren't they planning to interrogate him, etc, to get useful information from him? It looks like it could have been a set up to make Garrett trust Ward. Certainly a lot of different possibilities to keep us guessing.
If this were true there would not have been a Centipede. That whole set up would have been an on-book SHIELD research program.I'd say ten years ago, Ward was told that Hydra ran S.H.E.I.L.D. and that he would be paid double if he filed extra reports for Hydra, and at the very end of it all, there would be world peace and a position near the top proportionate to his duties and faith towards the organization.
There are no off book hydra specific secret missions.
All S.H.E.I.L.D. missions are Hydra Missions, and all hydra missions are S.H.E.I.L.D. missions because S.H.E.I.L.D. has done everything as awful as you think Hydara is capable of in the name of world peace and the greater good becuase S.H.E.I.L.D. is Hydra and there is really very little difference.
An organization to be named later. Following the MCU on Hydra they are into everything so when discovered in the Third Reich or SHIELD another limb can take the lead."SHIELD, HYDRA ... two sides of a coin that is no longer currency ..."
So what organization is Baron Von Schpamm running?
Centipede is not really an organization, it's just a specific project -- the project to develop supersoldiers using a hybrid of various power-enhancing technologies. The name Centipede comes from the shape of the devices that gave Mike Peterson and others their enhanced powers. What the characters didn't know until now is that it was a HYDRA project all along.
That's how the producers structured the plot to hide the reveal. First, they had the team run afoul of the group behind Mike Peterson's powers. They figured out that Mike was part of a project called Centipede, which was run by some unknown, secretive entities. Then they discovered that some secret group had put an eye implant in Akela Amador and forced her to kill for them. Later, they discovered that the Centipede project and the eye implant project were both part of the same larger conspiracy overseen by Raina, a conspiracy they continued to call "Centipede" because they had no other name for it. Then they found that Raina was answering to an individual she called the Clairvoyant. Finally, they discovered that "the Clairvoyant" was really a SHIELD agent -- that the mastermind of the conspiracy they'd been following all season had been within SHIELD all along. All of this was leading up to the final reveal that the conspiracy was actually HYDRA.
Yes, forgot about that. But I don't think the character to whom you refer, is equal to Ward. The Dollhouse character could not have been called the show's male lead or second male lead, and definitely was not the guy who was destined to be romantically involved with the show's female lead.Boyd - Who was the main character's handler/body guard/ally for the entire two seasons of the show turned out to be the ultimate big bad of the entire series
But the Dollhouse producers did take a sizable risk with that move and as you stated, it certainly is no coincidence that both these show's are Whedon joints.
The reason I'm being so specific is because if AoS really is doing what it appears they may be doing, then it is something to make note of because it is so unprecedented.I mean at this point you're being crazy specific here. You mentioned Chokatay as an example, and he wasn't destined to become romantically involved with the show's female lead. In an ensemble show like Dollhouse, Boyd was as much a lead as any other character on the show other than Echo. He was a main character and a good guy for two full seasons until he wasn't.
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I'm also being specific because there are probably other examples of shows with characters like Boyd, who were good, but turned out not to be, but, who, like Boyd, didn't have the same status or level of importance for their shows as does Ward. Just look at the amount of resistance in this thread to Ward's apparent status. We don't even know for sure that he is who we think he is, in his right mind, in control of himself, or really evil, and it has already had a major impact.
I don't recall much hand wringing at all after the Boyd reveal. My guess as to why there wasn't is because people were more willing to accrpt Boyd being bad becuase Boyd's position on Dolhouse was so much different from Ward's on AoS.
More simply put, what Ward is to AoS is not what Boyd was to Dollhouse. Ward is closer to Chakotay, who was the male lead and who was destined (and did) get romantically involved with the female lead AND second female lead.
Think Han Solo turning out to be a Federation operative or Neo working for the machines. Or if we're talking second male leads, Trip Tucker workng for the Suliban, Giles (before season 4 of Buffy) working for the principal or for or Glory or The First Evil, or Angel working for someone evil (not Angelus, but Angel).
That's who Ward is, and this is what makes this move by Whedon and his co-exec producer so incredible, assuming it turns out to be what it appears it may be.
While I'm not denying that Centipede was a part of HYDRA all along, I have to wonder if the people involved with Centipede knew that. Remember that at first, Centipede's only contact with the "Clairvoyant", and presumably HYDRA, was Edison Po, a man in prison. Raina even had to go through Po to get further instructions.
It just seems like a lot of hoops to jump through if they already knew what was up.
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