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Actor Noel Clarke accused of harrassment

Both the original TARDIS set and Torchwood lair are quite expensive, elaborate sets for the time and about equal to 90s/00s Trek and Stargate set production. Shortlived sets like Dalek ships/facilities and the UNIT helicarrier's bridge were OK as well.

Even the CGI also gets unfairly derided in modern day trash clickbait lists, but a lot of its SFX was more ambitious and had more variety to it than a lot of technically more sophisticated (but a bit blander) SFX seen in NA shows from the 10s/20s.

Bornin1980something said:
And the character of Captain Jack Harkness was never appropriate for such a show. He was sexualized from the very beginning. In his very first scene, he sees Rose hanging dangerously from a barrage balloon, focuses his viewing device on her behind, and says, "Excellent bottom." Now, this is indeed how some men might watch action scenes. But children should not be encouraged to see it that way.
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Thing is S1 of NuWho was not strictly family viewing, only in a broad sense, with much of it having PG-13 level sci-fi action and horror (with Torchwood more intentionally being R-Rated, with the highly sexual and violent Jack Harkness being its lead).
 
The problem here is it seems that due to the culture at the BBC at the time some are seeing him as not having being punished for is actions, but rather it's just another case of a BBC employee pre Savile exposure getting away with what seems to have been accepted behaviour within the BBC at the time, which is not helped by the BBC slapping him on the wrist then sending him back to work, so if it is not acceptable behaviour and won't be tolorated at any level within the BBC now, then why would the BBC think it was back then, a question the BBC can't really answer because that is a can of worms they don't want to deal with publically anymore.
 
Well you don't need a time machine to right the wrongs today that are seen to have been ignored yesterday, but you do need a culture change that firstly is willing to admit those wrongs were ignored, and i don't think that will happen at the BBC anytime soon as the whole place needs everything that was passed on by each of the old guard over the past 80 years to have been diluted and washed away by time and into the sewers were most of it belongs.
 
The US/UK Political Left have oddly become puritanical in a lot of ways, a weird inversion of the US Evangelical Right from past decades.

To clarify, John Barrowman shouldn't have done his stupid nude acts in the first place, but this feels like a dumb kneejerk zero tolerance response to all the bad behaviour around the NuWho, a hundred years ago, well before 2010!

Noel Clarke I understand more, when his supposedly terrible behaviour more directly offended many women, with allegations of no respect of physical boundries, and emotionally scarring some of them. And it carried on without consequence and opposition for so many years past Clarke's tenure as Mickey.

John Barrowman already faced consequences and deserved derision way back in '08; the much later more draconian veto is petty, and I wouldn't be surprised many Torchwood fans, etc, push back against Barrowman's belated disgrace.
 
I'm not a fan of punishing someone for something they did over a decade ago, were told to stop, stopped, and apologized for, and never did again.
This feels like James Gunn all over again.
If he had continued to do it, and was still doing I could see, but this is just ridiculous.
 
JD said:
I'm not a fan of punishing someone for something they did over a decade ago, were told to stop, stopped, and apologized for, and never did again.
This feels like James Gunn all over again.
If he had continued to do it, and was still doing I could see, but this is just ridiculous.
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Yeah it's kind of stupid
 
Haggis and tatties said:
Well you don't need a time machine to right the wrongs today that are seen to have been ignored yesterday, but you do need a culture change that firstly is willing to admit those wrongs were ignored, and i don't think that will happen at the BBC anytime soon as the whole place needs everything that was passed on by each of the old guard over the past 80 years to have been diluted and washed away by time and into the sewers were most of it belongs.
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Was it actually ignored though? Seems he was called out and reprimanded and it was handled and he has abstained since. Or is cancelation the only suitable punishment for all transgressions?
 
Mr. Adventure said:
Was it actually ignored though? Seems he was called out and reprimanded and it was handled and he has abstained since.
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This is correct. Well, the called out and reprimanded/disciplinaried part certainly is, and the abstained part is 'as far as we know'. I suspect if he was still doing it on the Arrowverse sets it'd have come out when the #metoo floodgates opened.
 
Mr. Adventure said:
Was it actually ignored though? Seems he was called out and reprimanded and it was handled and he has abstained since. Or is cancelation the only suitable punishment for all transgressions?
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Exposing yourself in public is a criminal offence here in the UK, and it seems he was also exposing himself at BBC radio also, but the culture at the BBC right up until Savile threw a light on them seems to have been one of fear for anyone opening their mouth about the going on's at the corporation, so he got away with a slap on the wrist, called a naughty boy and the BBC just trundled along until Savile broke and the flood gates opened for all to see, Barrowman himself was just another cog in the symptom of that culture, the official report on the BBC after Savile was quite damning of the BBC practices and culture, you should give it a read.
 
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Here's Chris Pratt giving a story about appearing naked on Parks and Rec when he wasn't supposed to:
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The difference between the BBC and NBC is that NBC at that time notified Pratt immediately but the actions sound the same, a formal reprimand, and as far as we know, no repeat incidents afterward.

It sounds like some think they deserved to pay a pound of flesh for such misdeeds. I know here in the state I live that people have been put on the criminal sex offenders list for mooning people at the lake or pissing in a bush. I just think you can't paint all incidents with the same brush and treat them as the same severity. Were these actions so severe within their context that they're beyond rehabilitation and correction?
 
As i said already exposing yourself in public is a criminal offence here in the UK and has never been acceptable in any work place or in public regardless if the offence is being committed by a celeb or not, and was so before and after the BBC practices were made public, so the questions are did he expose himself to women and men at the BBC, yes, was there a culture at the BBC that fostered this kind of behaviour, yes,......was there a culture of fear for anyone who spoke up about this kind of behaviour at the BBC, yes.......was the BBC response to this behavior guided by the culture at the BBC at the time........................that one you will have to make your own mind up over.
 
Where do we draw the line at punishment? At what point would we be satisfied that it's a just amount? And for how long? Is this going to be brought up again in another 10 years and we go through it again?
 
Someone at the Express wanted to run a Matt Smith molested Caitlin Blackwood when they were filming The Eleventh Hour smear piece.
 
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