I think sometimes I like to think of them as having occurred differently, just to try and rectify any continuity issues.
But yeah, that was a pretty cool video you made, even though a couple of them might at least be explainable.
Accept or Reject Enterprise
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I think sometimes I like to think of them as having occurred differently, just to try and rectify any continuity issues.
But yeah, that was a pretty cool video you made, even though a couple of them might at least be explainable.
I think accepting it or rejecting it is how people deal with it.
We all have choices and in this instance I really cannot judge those who chose to ignore the series. They are free to do so.
I do accept the series and think it has some very good episodes. I am one that was sad to see it cancelled just when it was hitting its stride.
And I find the notion that Anakin built C-3PO childish. I reject and ignore the PT in its entirety, the TV series included.
ENT is far lamer than it should have been, and I don't agree that S4 was that big an improvement. But while it contained a lot of junk, chiefly the TCW, it didn't have a Midichlorian Moment that'd cause me to say "eff this entire chapter of the franchise".
Besides, given all the alternate realities and time-travel pollution already present in Trek, one can always say it happened in a timeline very similar to but not exactly the same as the other series if one likes, thereby acknowledging its existence without feeling bound to its features. The PT, OTOH, is very much an "all or nothing"-type proposition.
Rejecting and ignoring are just words and ways to express not liking something. Calling someone childish because they don't like something you might and telling them to deal with it is... shall we say a degree of juvenile behavior all on it's own?
Just because it has the Star Trek label doesn't mean one has to gush all over it. Unless the Star Trek thought police says otherwise?
Just because it has the Star Trek label doesn't mean one has to gush all over it. Unless the Star Trek thought police says otherwise?
Accept it. ENT is my favorite Trek of all time. I love the characters, their interactions, their struggles with finding their way through space and new species. I love the newness. I love how you hear where "red alert" came from, and the beginning of the prime directive. I love the backstory of the Vulcan mindmelds.
It is the history of the show, it is how things were developed. I think they kept things well in hand, look at them not stating who the Ferengi were or the Borg. Yet they managed to fit them in. They told a story, trying to keep into the parameters of the other shows.
I think people that don't see it, and don't accept it are missing out on a lot.
It is the history of the show, it is how things were developed. I think they kept things well in hand, look at them not stating who the Ferengi were or the Borg. Yet they managed to fit them in. They told a story, trying to keep into the parameters of the other shows.
I think people that don't see it, and don't accept it are missing out on a lot.
This is a terrific defense of Archer's development. I had a lot of issues with him early on: Main beef: He asks T'Pol to remain as science officer and then never accepts any of her counsel. And when a Vulcan turns up, he gives her dirty looks as if it's her fault.
Thankfully, he got better.
It wasn't part of the canon when I was watching the franchise.
I actually watched a scene from it the other day - the first since the first season aired. Quite by accident really, I was looking at fan CGI on Youtube and it popped up. It was the mirror image crew on the earlier Defiant. It was nice seeing a Constitution in a real firefight. And rather pleasing seeing it blow up the NX01.
Despite that it did nothing to want me to watch the show. It's still the show that soured the franchise for me.
So I rejected it a long time ago, with no chance of an appeal.
Pretending something didn't happen and choosing not to watch something that doesn't entertain me are 2 different things. What I find "ridiculous" and "odd" is the concept that just because something says "Star Trek" means you have bend over and like it, accept it, and/or own it just because it says "Star Trek."
I don't.
Ultimately, it's a form of entertainment, and if I'm not entertained by what's being offered to me, I actually DON'T have to deal with it.
Rejecting and ignoring are just words and ways to express not liking something. Calling someone childish because they don't like something you might and telling them to deal with it is... shall we say a degree of juvenile behavior all on it's own?
Just because it has the Star Trek label doesn't mean one has to gush all over it. Unless the Star Trek thought police says otherwise?
These statements reflect my sentiments exactly. Look at Star Wars. George Lucas completed his 6 films, the two trilogies in 2005. In 2008 he came out with another film which was followed by a tv series based on that film. The Clone Wars series. Set between Episodes II and III. Not everything thing in the Clone Wars series fits in snuggly with the movies. Alot of things, have been interjected, retconned or distorted for the purpose of the Clone Wars show and film working as a show. The target audience is not the teenage to adult but children. Anyone who has seen the show knows what I am talking about.
Now should fans of Star Wars all subscribe to this show? Accept it as part of the grand story of Star Wars? At first it was just the trilogies that were canon. Now it's Episode I, Episode II, The 2008 Clone Wars Movie, The five ongoing seasons Clone Wars TV series, Episode III, Episode IV, Episode V and Episode VI.
Back to ENT, my thing on Accept or Regret is one of necessity. Does the story of Enterprise NEED to be included when one refers to Captain Kirk and Spock, or Captain Picard, Sisko and Janeway in their era? ENT being written after all the other shows, it takes liberties to write it's own rules, breaking established ones in the process. As a fan I don't have to die on the slopes of Mt. Doom for everything named Trek. Just like the fans of Star Wars don't have to subscribe to this this cartooney version of Star Wars that Lucas says is apart of his film series canon.
The Star Wars analogy is perfect in this regard.
If Lucas wasn't such a hack, I could treat the OT just like Star Trek, which is to watch what shows I want to without interference from aspects of other Treks I don't like. But he's so dead-set on linking his prequels with the originals that he's mucking up everything that made his "one-trick pony" such a memorable experience. It all started with Ewoks...
I gave it a second chance during it's 4th season.
I've watched bits and pieces of the show over the years.
I still don't like it, thus I'm not missing out on anything.
The primary issue is I find NONE of the main cast to be interesting or endearing. There were certainly some good episodes, but that's really non-sequitor when I don't care about the characters. Sorry, but not even the Vulcan chick doing a striptease in the de-con chamber is enough to get me interested, and that's sayin' a lot.
If Lucas wasn't such a hack, I could treat the OT just like Star Trek, which is to watch what shows I want to without interference from aspects of other Treks I don't like. But he's so dead-set on linking his prequels with the originals that he's mucking up everything that made his "one-trick pony" such a memorable experience. It all started with Ewoks...
I've seen it.
I gave it a second chance during it's 4th season.
I've watched bits and pieces of the show over the years.
I still don't like it, thus I'm not missing out on anything.
The primary issue is I find NONE of the main cast to be interesting or endearing. There were certainly some good episodes, but that's really non-sequitor when I don't care about the characters. Sorry, but not even the Vulcan chick doing a striptease in the de-con chamber is enough to get me interested, and that's sayin' a lot.
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It's all Star Trek.
In my mind the difference with Star Wars is if Lucas wants to rewrite canon, it's his franchise to do with as he wishes. Clone Wars has kept Star Wars alive - compare 7 years after Jedi (it was dead) to 7 years after Sith. Star Trek never needed a prequel.
Watching Clone Wars weekly (Sky Movies stopped showing it that way, alas) made me feel like I was six again.
That was even more true during the first few series. Later, it got better, but it's no coincidence that of the main cast, Data got more and more focus, because frankly he was the most interesting one. I agree that Barclay and Guinan were great characters as well. It always pisses me off when Wesley Crusher calls him Broccoli. I mean, seriously, kid? Who the hell are you to call people on their geekiness? It's not like you are the epitome of "coolness".
It was mean-spirited and totally uncalled for. Inconsistencies aside - what I love about ENT are the characters, their interaction, their flaws, their conflicts. These people get launched into space with no clue as to where to go, what to do, how to behave. And when series 3 rolled along, they only had the responsibility of saving the entire human race dumped on their shoulders. Archer's psycho behaviour is excusable, and his character grows...he fights with his officers, but he listens to them. Janeway, i.e., doesn't have that excuse. Picard and his officers have no conflict.
While I like all the shows, I like them for different reasons. Sure, ENT has problems, and I see them, but I choose to ignore them and instead focus on what makes the show interesting to me; in this case, the characters.
Except for a few truly horrible episodes (coughcoughSpaceNaziscoughcough), the show is great and it had much potential that, in the end, could not be developed. Sadly.
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In the interests of canon and the facts: The Defiant destroyed the ISS Avenger (NX-09) not the ISS Enterprise (NX-01). The Tholians did that.
EDIT: Oh, and accept. Its not any worse that Voyager or Star Trek V.
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I don't just accept it, I embrace it fully. It was a good show (and the fourth season was amazing, except for the finale). I think it had some really interesting characters and told some very good stories. I don't even think of it as the worst Trek series (Voyager gets that honor). So I firmly consider it canon.
Except when they don't.
Problem with that is, Earth was shown to possess other starships prior to the construction of the Enterprise. There were three Earth starship (smaller than the Enterprise) that came to the Enterprise's assistance in The Expanse. There is nothing in the series to indicate that Archer was ever in command of any of these ships, or that he ever commanded anything larger than a experimental single seat craft. As seen, Archer's sole experience was as a test pilot.
Earth had commanders with larger ship experience. Earth had the capacity to send ships to other star systems prior to the Enterprise, where were those captains? Even given that those captains would have been on slower ships, some experience is superior to none. Archer was shown to be completely ignorant of the species even immediately surrounding Earth's system.
The last two conventions I went to seemed to be full of DS9 lovers and VOY haters. Enterprise, they were mostly indifferent. I find that a lot of the Enterprise haters never watched more than a few episodes and took that opinion because it seemed popular. It seems that most people that gave it a chance a few years later found that they like ENT.
Absolutely positively accurate I would say. Most have only watched a few and never gave it a second chance. If they had, like others they would fall for it.
Also, I think ENT fans are some of the most die hard fans around. I know I am
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