Accept or Reject Enterprise

[F. King Daniel]

But there is no disease. As they said, Pa'nar Syndrome is simply a byproduct of a mindmeld performed by an improperly trained Vulcan. The "cure" (a meld by someone who knew what they were doing) was commonly known in Surak's time had been suppressed by the 22nd century.

Had the show been cancelled in Season 3 and it gone unconcluded.... that would have sucked. But to say they shouldn't have tried to tell their story because the possibility of cancellation was there strikes me as silly. What if DS9 was cancelled before the Dominion War ended? What if Voyager was canned before they got home? It sucks but it doesn't mean they shouldn't try.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Drop me a line. I'd like to hear what the fan reaction to Justin Beiber as NuNuKirk is.

Don't curse it into existence, damn you!

 

[lurok]

Pa'nar Syndrome doesn't bother me half as much as the Nemesis-Romulan outfits in S4. For some reason that really bugs me every time I rewatch. But I'm shallow like that.

 

[R. Star]

Pa'nar Syndrome doesn't bother me half as much as the Nemesis-Romulan outfits in S4. For some reasons that really bugs me every time I rewatch. But I'm shallow like that.

You expect continuity?! It's not like they're going to invent a new wardrobe for them, so it's either drag out the late DS9/Nemesis uniforms or the old 60's uniforms.

Either way, glad they did get rid of the bulky TNG era uniforms.

 

[lurok]

^Yeah, I get the production reasons. But they could have made a teeny-tiny effort to change them just a little bit. I don't know: I'm such an aesthetic snob

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Where did the Xindi and the Temporal Cold War even come from?

The Earth-Romulan War would have been far more interesting and had it been executed in a similar fashion as the Dominion War was for DS9. ENT could have had 7 seasons. Remember it was the EARTH-Romulan war. Not the Federation-Romulan war. The ENT crew could have led 2 seasons as explorers and by season 3 start introducing the Romulans and the hostile threat they posed to a growing planet like Earth. The threat from Romulus could have been the reason Earth, and Vulcan united to form the Federation. Not just for mutual benefits of technology, knowledge and culture, but as protection from the agressive Romulan and Klingon empires.

Why would Berman and Braga not go this route instead of making up the Xindi and the Temporal Cold War? Trek had very little canon fact in the ENT setting but what was there was infinitely more interesting to the continuity of the story than some Temporal Cold War. Honestly I always believe the Temporal Cold War was a concept developed for VOY but was never used for it. It would make more sense from a story stand point. Technology and time travel (as much as VOY raped that concept) wouldn't be completely out of place. had it taken place during VOY.

 

[Skywalker]

I believe the hope was that they'd get seven seasons out of ENT and then do a big Romulan War movie. Then Nemesis bombed and ENT's ratings flatlined. I found the idea rather unrealistic even before then; Star Trek's audience and popularity had eroded a great deal even before ENT had premiered. It was highly unlikely that the show would have developed the kind of following that could have supported a feature film, even if it had been fantastic from start to finish.

As for the Temporal Cold War, it was a concept TPTB came up with in response to an edict from UPN. They were nervous about ENT being a prequel and forced B&B to include a time travel aspect so that they could take the story back to the future (heh) in case the prequel idea bombed. B&B originally wanted to do a straight-up prequel set in the past with no time travel gimmicks. UPN also forced them to include the transporter (and probably the Klingons) to make the show look more familiar to casual audiences.

 

[R. Star]

Enterprise's ratings didn't flatline because of Nemesis(though that movie certainly didn't win over any new fans), they flatlined because seasons 1 and 2 were dull and unexciting. They lost me during season 2 in the original airing.

I'm a bit more kindly disposed toward the series years later, having finally watched the rest on Netflix. I find it surprising you say Berman and Braga didn't want to do the time travel bit. They did it at every other oppurtunity in Voyager and the first two TNG movies. Heck they wanted First Contact to be set in the Renisance with Borg drones fighting knights.

 

[Skywalker]

Enterprise's ratings didn't flatline because of Nemesis(though that movie certainly didn't win over any new fans), they flatlined because seasons 1 and 2 were dull and unexciting.

Agreed. Who said Nemesis affected ENT's ratings?

 

[R. Star]

Enterprise's ratings didn't flatline because of Nemesis(though that movie certainly didn't win over any new fans), they flatlined because seasons 1 and 2 were dull and unexciting.

Agreed. Who said Nemesis affected ENT's ratings?

Then Nemesis bombed and ENT's ratings flatlined.

You? Did I misinterpret that somehow?

 

[F. King Daniel]

I can't speak for others, but I loved the Xindi. They were so cool - especially the CG Insectoids and Aquatics. I wouldn't give up the Xindi for a dozen Romulan wars!

I don't know how true it is, but I've read that TPTB wanted the Romulan War saved for a movie, and asked that Enterprise keep away from it. And one almost came to be after Enterprise's cancellation - script was written and the film greenlit, only to be cancelled in favour of JJ Abrams' proposed reboot when there was a major reshuffling at the top of Paramount. HERE is a review of the first-draft script.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Heck they wanted First Contact to be set in the Renisance with Borg drones fighting knights.

Tell me you just made that up.

 

[lurok]

Heck they wanted First Contact to be set in the Renisance with Borg drones fighting knights.

Tell me you just made that up.

Ditto.

 

[Skywalker]

Enterprise's ratings didn't flatline because of Nemesis(though that movie certainly didn't win over any new fans), they flatlined because seasons 1 and 2 were dull and unexciting.

Agreed. Who said Nemesis affected ENT's ratings?

Then Nemesis bombed and ENT's ratings flatlined.

You? Did I misinterpret that somehow?

Yeah, I probably could have worded that differently. I didn't mean to suggest that Nemesis killed ENT, just that the combination of Nemesis' failure at the box office and ENT's declining ratings (they started falling bigtime in the latter half of Season Two, IIRC) were basically a double-barrelled blow to Trek's viability at the time. Not enough people were watching ENT to sustain the "Romulan War movie" idea, and Nemesis bombing made it even less likely. I'm surprised Berman was even able to get a script written.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Heck they wanted First Contact to be set in the Renisance with Borg drones fighting knights.

Tell me you just made that up.

Ditto.

I know, right? Seriously?

 

[Amaris]

I accept Enterprise (as if rejecting it would make a difference at all). While initially put off in it's first run, this past year I rewatched the series from beginning to end, and realized it had lots of potential, and at times was actually a very good show (Carbon Creek and Similitude being two of my favorite episodes). I grew to like the characters, especially Phlox, and I was disheartened that TATV was how it all ended, when there was so much more there.

 

[R. Star]

Tell me you just made that up.

Ditto.

I know, right? Seriously?

Look it up on Memory Alpha if you don't believe me. The first draft of the movie was titled Star Trek: Renaissance and you can thank Berman and Braga for that gem of an idea.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Ditto.

I know, right? Seriously?

Look it up on Memory Alpha if you don't believe me. The first draft of the movie was titled Star Trek: Renaissance and you can thank Berman and Braga for that gem of an idea.

Oh, I believe you! But it just seems too damn terrible for my brain to grasp the sheer horror of the idea. What the hell were those guys smoking when they thought that one up?

Might as well do a Star Trek x Monty Python crossover.

Boy, am I glad that this did not become reality. Phew.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Heck they wanted First Contact to be set in the Renisance with Borg drones fighting knights.

Tell me you just made that up.

Ditto.

This is seriously the worst thing I've ever read.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I want to see a Borg drone jousting in a suit of armour.

AND BORG HORSES. BORG. HORSES.