A Night in Sickbay's Hugo Award nomination

[number6]

0g spooge; I bet that's fun for him.

Isn't that every sci-fi boy's fantasy??

 

[Captain X]

For me only if T'Pol is involved.

 

[commodore64]

Jinx, I think you have a point about the set up -- I think it was unwise to bring Porthos on the trip (I mean even on Enterprise).

I do think the idea of him being a jerk was purposeful, though. I mean, how could you *not* notice he was a jerk? And yet, by the end of the episode, he's more humble and has learned his lesson. He's also contrite and apologizes to everyone and his dog. Literally.

I think that the problem some ENT fans have with ANIS is similar to the problem some Trek fans have with ENT. ENT tried to break some new ground in Trek (albeit not too well at times) via its portrayal of Archer being a leader with some fatal flaws. while they touted him as "Kirk's boyhood hero", they did not necessarily portray him as having some of more obvious virtues of the latter. instead, he embodied some of Kirk's not-so-hot traits: his arrogance, his stubbornness, his inability to step back and re-consider and re-assess etc. somehow, in the end... I guess TPTB hoped... that it would all hang together well and Archer's character would grow into the role. in the same way -- in their novel but much-derided (within general Trek fandom as well as without) treatment of the Vulcans, their at-times flagrant flouting of Trek Canon, their unconventional treatment of some the characters -- they received a whole lot of rotten tomatoes from Trek fandom.

however, I believe that as we step back and start to re-assess this show, we need to shed our individual affinities for this character or that character, this episode or that episode, this story arc or that, and try to gauge just what it was that TPTB had intended to deliver. sure, they may have failed largely, but I believe that they succeeded to a greater extent than we give them credit for. it's the same thing with Archer. sure, he had flaws and left many of us grinding our teeth and pissed off, but he was also kinda amazing in some deeply meaningful ways.

you could say the same thing with T'Pol and many of the other characters.

I kinda know what I am talking about because I went through the same thing with DS9 and Sisko. I was with it all the way through, living and breathing fandom in all its glory and frustration and then through its demise.

believe me, time brings some much-needed perspective.

I do understand that it's doubly hard for some of us who were with ENT all the way through, mainly because of its clearly undeserved (to me) abortion, but also because of the amount of derision and overall contempt it has received (and continues to receive) from so many quarters. But I believe detachment will come as time passes and allow us to see the show and its various aspects with clearer eyes.

You may be right. I truly believe the "hero" of any story isn't typically the most interesting character: Kirk, Blake (from Blake's 7), Riker, etc. Usually the most interesting and beloved character is typically the sidekick, and why not? The hero has a lot of weight on his shoulders. Sidekicks have more leeway. And yet, TOS wouldn't be the same without Kirk and Blake's 7 was a hell of a lot worse without Blake, even though Avon my favorite character had more time on screen. I thought Enterprise had an all interesting characters, and I think Archer was more interesting *because* of his flaws. I think you feel the same way.

I think what people sometimes here expect is that Archer will be superman (interesting, without flaws, funny, etc.), but not super (Super!Archer). In other words, I think they want the impossible.

Me personally? I just want interesting characters.

 

[Captain X]

I didn't expect him to be superman (even though that's how he was portrayed mroe often than not), but I did expect him not to be a complete ass.

 

[indranee]

^ Whoa, you make an excellent point here. Not only does ANUS depict Archer as a sad, lonely, middle-aged walking hard-on, it also portrays him as an incompetent jerk unfit for command. But hell, he's still a much better CO than Janeway ever hoped to be, and unlike her, he never really did anything worthy of a court marshal... oh wait... *facepalm*
Yep, "A night in sickbay" - Star Trek at it's finest!

so, basically, none of you got my point

 

[indranee]

That and he put the whole "sexual tension" thing in Archer's head, then later on told him not to say anything about it. Creepy...

Phlox is well established as a total pervert in the first season!

Yeah. Phlox.

I think most of us could do without Archer being a midlife crisis-enduring fetish freak, though.

sooo... he doesn't remind you of some of the posters on this very forum?

 

[indranee]

Phlox is well established as a total pervert in the first season!

Yeah. Phlox.

I think most of us could do without Archer being a midlife crisis-enduring fetish freak, though.

It did put to rest the whole Archer/T'pol ship thing, after all.

uhh, no, it did not.

TATV is testament to that. in the end, Archer/T'Pol survived

oh, and, Kalen, if you warn me for bringing that old shoe up, you need to warn almost everyone in this thread, including Number 6.

 

[indranee]

It did put to rest the whole Archer/T'pol ship thing, after all.

Mercifully. I was never a fan of Trip and T'Pol having a "thing" going, but I could buy those two having strong feelings for one another a lot easier than I could the Captain and T'Pol.

T/T was bound to happen.

riiight. only because of a trashy, badly concocted scene in the pilot that was nowhere near necessary.

EDIT: sorry 'bout the spam!

 

[number6]

Yeah. Phlox.

I think most of us could do without Archer being a midlife crisis-enduring fetish freak, though.

It did put to rest the whole Archer/T'pol ship thing, after all.

uhh, no, it did not.

TATV is testament to that. in the end, Archer/T'Pol survived

oh, and, Kalen, if you warn me for bringing that old shoe up, you need to warn almost everyone in this thread, including Number 6.

Thanks for throwing me under the bus.

It put it to rest because of that T'pol says at the end of the episode about how it would be inappropriate.. That's what I meant. But knowing that would mean that people actually watched ANIS..I did and enjoyed it on many levels. It's a shame that a lot of you didn't, but then if you did we wouldn't have thread after thread about how much ANIS sucked.

4 posts in a row? Sounds like someone is on someone's good side.

 

[Mach5]

T/T was bound to happen.

riiight. only because of a trashy, badly concocted scene in the pilot that was nowhere near necessary.

No, but rather because it was such a dramatically unlikely pairing, that it was, in fact, obvious (did this make any sense?)

 

[indranee]

It did put to rest the whole Archer/T'pol ship thing, after all.

uhh, no, it did not.

TATV is testament to that. in the end, Archer/T'Pol survived

oh, and, Kalen, if you warn me for bringing that old shoe up, you need to warn almost everyone in this thread, including Number 6.

Thanks for throwing me under the bus.

It put it to rest because of that T'pol says at the end of the episode about how it would be inappropriate.. That's what I meant. But knowing that would mean that people actually watched ANIS..I did and enjoyed it on many levels. It's a shame that a lot of you didn't, but then if you did we wouldn't have thread after thread about how much ANIS sucked.

4 posts in a row? Sounds like someone is on someone's good side.

nah, I like you, N6, I'd only throw you under the bus if I was under there myself.

oh, and that quote (from T'Pol) is ambivalent. yes, she says it would be inappropriate, but she also acknowledges the attraction.

I remember watching it back in S2, and I remember simultaneously watching the Archer/T'Pol "movement" surge right away.

but maybe we shouldn't be talking about this any more on the board.

 

[number6]

T/T was bound to happen.

riiight. only because of a trashy, badly concocted scene in the pilot that was nowhere near necessary.

No, but rather because it was such a dramatically unlikely pairing, that it was, in fact, obvious (did this make any sense?)

That's exactly why!

It was obvious, even without the decon gel scene.

 

[indranee]

T/T was bound to happen.

riiight. only because of a trashy, badly concocted scene in the pilot that was nowhere near necessary.

No, but rather because it was such a dramatically unlikely pairing, that it was, in fact, obvious (did this make any sense?)

actually, dramatically, it was perfect. that I agree with. what I didn't like was the WAY it was handled.

 

[Mach5]

riiight. only because of a trashy, badly concocted scene in the pilot that was nowhere near necessary.

No, but rather because it was such a dramatically unlikely pairing, that it was, in fact, obvious (did this make any sense?)

actually, dramatically, it was perfect. that I agree with. what I didn't like was the WAY it was handled.

I doubt that anyone likes the way it was (mis)handled, but that was simply because writers couldn't write romance (common among all Treks, with the possible exception of DS9).

 

[number6]

uhh, no, it did not.

TATV is testament to that. in the end, Archer/T'Pol survived

oh, and, Kalen, if you warn me for bringing that old shoe up, you need to warn almost everyone in this thread, including Number 6.

Thanks for throwing me under the bus.

It put it to rest because of that T'pol says at the end of the episode about how it would be inappropriate.. That's what I meant. But knowing that would mean that people actually watched ANIS..I did and enjoyed it on many levels. It's a shame that a lot of you didn't, but then if you did we wouldn't have thread after thread about how much ANIS sucked.

4 posts in a row? Sounds like someone is on someone's good side.

nah, I like you, N6, I'd only throw you under the bus if I was under there myself.

oh, and that quote (from T'Pol) is ambivalent. yes, she says it would be inappropriate, but she also acknowledges the attraction.

I remember watching it back in S2, and I remember simultaneously watching the Archer/T'Pol "movement" surge right away.

but maybe we shouldn't be talking about this any more on the board.

Sooooo.. You want me under a bus with you?? Sounds kinda kinky, but I like.

T'pol acknowleges the attraction but is duty bound to not act upon it. That's pretty much what she says. Even in Twilight, her devotion to Archer seems more of a duty/obligation than anything else.

Bringing it up is appropriate because it is a major plot point of ANIS--the sexual tension.

Archer wouldn't have noticed if Phlox hadn't brought it up. But then all ship's doctors are dirty old men. My theory is that Phlox brought it up to take Archer's mind off of Porthos' condition...Also so that Phlox and Porthos could have some "quality time" in that isolation chamber. I told you Phlox was a perv!!

 

[indranee]

No, but rather because it was such a dramatically unlikely pairing, that it was, in fact, obvious (did this make any sense?)

actually, dramatically, it was perfect. that I agree with. what I didn't like was the WAY it was handled.

I doubt that anyone likes the way it was (mis)handled, but that was simply because writers couldn't write romance (common among all Treks, with the possible exception of DS9).

hmm... I thought DS9 was pretty bad in this respect as well.

 

[indranee]

Thanks for throwing me under the bus.

It put it to rest because of that T'pol says at the end of the episode about how it would be inappropriate.. That's what I meant. But knowing that would mean that people actually watched ANIS..I did and enjoyed it on many levels. It's a shame that a lot of you didn't, but then if you did we wouldn't have thread after thread about how much ANIS sucked.

4 posts in a row? Sounds like someone is on someone's good side.

nah, I like you, N6, I'd only throw you under the bus if I was under there myself.

oh, and that quote (from T'Pol) is ambivalent. yes, she says it would be inappropriate, but she also acknowledges the attraction.

I remember watching it back in S2, and I remember simultaneously watching the Archer/T'Pol "movement" surge right away.

but maybe we shouldn't be talking about this any more on the board.

Sooooo.. You want me under a bus with you?? Sounds kinda kinky, but I like.

T'pol acknowleges the attraction but is duty bound to not act upon it. That's pretty much what she says. Even in Twilight, her devotion to Archer seems more of a duty/obligation than anything else.

Bringing it up is appropriate because it is a major plot point of ANIS--the sexual tension.

Archer wouldn't have noticed if Phlox hadn't brought it up. But then all ship's doctors are dirty old men. My theory is that Phlox brought it up to take Archer's mind off of Porthos' condition...Also so that Phlox and Porthos could have some "quality time" in that isolation chamber. I told you Phlox was a perv!!

true, and he was the most excellent perv. but like all pervs, he went deeper in his analysis than given credit for

 

[Hopeful Romantic]

Mercifully. I was never a fan of Trip and T'Pol having a "thing" going, but I could buy those two having strong feelings for one another a lot easier than I could the Captain and T'Pol.

T/T was bound to happen.

riiight. only because of a trashy, badly concocted scene in the pilot that was nowhere near necessary.

EDIT: sorry 'bout the spam!

Not good enough. You were already friendlied upthread about triple-posting, and these four aren't even on topic. Warning for spamming.



As for the rest of you--what is this, "Derail The Threads" Week?

All he needed was a white panel van.

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0g spooge; I bet that's fun for him.

Isn't that every sci-fi boy's fantasy??

No, but rather because it was such a dramatically unlikely pairing, that it was, in fact, obvious (did this make any sense?)

actually, dramatically, it was perfect. that I agree with. what I didn't like was the WAY it was handled.

I doubt that anyone likes the way it was (mis)handled, but that was simply because writers couldn't write romance (common among all Treks, with the possible exception of DS9).

This off-topic crap has been popping up in other threads too, and it's getting old. CX, cooleddie, indranee, number6, Mach5, knock it off NOW.

As for this train wreck, it's done.