No it didn't make sense but it didn't make sense the way psychotic breaks and dementia don't make sense.
A Certain Pixie from Ocampa
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True. If I view it as a psychotic break I don't mind it as much. And that is pretty much what it was at that point.
But still...since it's the last time you'll ever see Kes...I think it could have been handled in some other way. There are other Kes storylines that could have been explored like her age, her powers, etc.
Like I said, I don't feel very strongly about Kes yay or nay, I am pretty neutral...but to bring her on for one last time and have her character do a complete flip around just wasn't believable for me.
But still...since it's the last time you'll ever see Kes...I think it could have been handled in some other way. There are other Kes storylines that could have been explored like her age, her powers, etc.
Like I said, I don't feel very strongly about Kes yay or nay, I am pretty neutral...but to bring her on for one last time and have her character do a complete flip around just wasn't believable for me.
Castrating Wang, would have created the same vocal diversity.
"Fury" was a completely unacceptable conclusion for a character so guileless and vulnerable as Kes! If the production team was that intent on killing off Kes and ruining her legacy, what I would've preferred seeing was Kes' daughter with Tom Paris (from another Timeline) being the one who lost their mind and found her way to Voyager intent on distruction. Perhaps, she resented knowing that she wasn't from the "true" timeline. At first, Kes feels blessed to have her normal-acting daughter with her, but her powers are tingling ... before she realizes, or accepts it, her daughter unleashes certain death and destruction. Kes and her daughter have a psychic power duel that results in what seems to be their mutual destruction ...
i think her hair grew longer because she stopped cutting it
You'll find Kes on the bottom.
Of what?
Agreed.
See the other thing that I had a problem with was that the episode, I think it was Cold Fire, set up the premise that SOME Ocampans could exceed double or better their typical 7 year lifespan AND attain some incredible powers. Why bring that up if Kes wasn't intended to be one of them. So the idea that senile, crazy cat lady kes was going to travel half way across the galaxy to have a psychotic seizure all over Voyager just was bad writing and waste of a good character, not matter how you slice it. Then again, it is a microcosm of how Kes was handled throughout the show.
Fury was such an unworthy send off for the character, and the plot and episode seems almost like it was actually written for a different character and was re-worked at the last second to include Kes, instead.
I would understand if he was directly quoting your post but he wasn't, he was directly quoting mine which had nothing to do with "Fury".
Watch the episode again.
It told us the Ocampa with Suspiria lived longer because she had technology that extended their life span, it wasn't something the Ocampa could do on their own. However, they did bring up in "Before & After" that during the Mor-Elogium Ocampians grow senile. Remember, at first they thought Kes' ramblings of time jumping was part of her Mor-Elogium. Her daughter states it and the EMH agrees, at first. So they were always aware that Kes might go bat shit crazy as she got older.
When I get a chance, I will. If my opinion changes I will com back to this point here and address it.
As I recall, that was true, BUT if memory serves, what extended their life span was actually developing their telekinetic powers.
Growing senilein old age isn't exclusive to Mor-Elogium Ocampians, though. Not everyone travels like Kes did in Fury to destroy Voyager. And as Captain Katherine pointed out, if this is going to be the last we see of Kes and is supposed to be the send off for the character, is this really a worth while way of doing it? I don't think it is.
Put another way, was Kes's portrayal in Fury:
Is it possible? Maybe.
Is it plausible? Not really, its a stretch for me, at least.
Is it desirable? No.
I don't recall them ever saying that.
Memory alpha seems to agree with how I remember, anyway, but it has been a while since I've seen the episode.I don't recall them ever saying that.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cold_Fire_(episode)
Memory alpha seems to agree with how I remember, anyway, but it has been a while since I've seen the episode.I don't recall them ever saying that.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cold_Fire_(episode)
Research it further:
The Ocampa had a lifespan of only nine years. (VOY: "Caretaker", "Before and After", "Fury") Suspiria developed technology that helped extend the Ocampa life span, Tanis' father for example lived to be twenty years of age. (VOY: "Cold Fire")
They're like moths. Or something.
I don't think they said that Susperior definitely used technology to enhance her Ocmapa.
Besides, "technology" could mean surgical gene modification, Cybernetics, or modification through a solid mutagen, or exposure to bizarre energy fields or radiation.
Or if Susperior didn't use tech, it could have been a natural ability or her people to enhance other life forms, or it could have been sharing their time with the other realm that changed their biology.
Stuff.
Besides, "technology" could mean surgical gene modification, Cybernetics, or modification through a solid mutagen, or exposure to bizarre energy fields or radiation.
Or if Susperior didn't use tech, it could have been a natural ability or her people to enhance other life forms, or it could have been sharing their time with the other realm that changed their biology.
Stuff.
It's like having the power to give your hamsters an extra five years of life.
Ocampan's could live for 50 years if the Caretakers were not speeding up their life cycle so that there's a chance they can give up Caretaking someday.
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When it comes to good bands and artists, they develope in their chosen style. Then we have the sellouts who radically change to different styles in order to catch up with some trend (and lose their popularity as a result).
Why should Kes change radically when no one else among the main characters did change radically during those 7 years. They were basically the same all the time. As for Kes's powers, they could be used in a proper manner. Expanding them to what we had to see in "The Gift" and "Fury" was only ridiculous and used as a cheap way to get rid of the character in the first place and destroy her in the second.
Of course they could have used the fact that she had certain powers for stories about the character (which I actually have done in some of my stories) but not expanded them to something ridiculous.
Well I brought up "Fury" here because of your constant defense for that episode. I assumed that your suggestions for expanding her powers would be leading to the events in "Fury". Maybe I was wrong there and then I apologize for my wrong conclusion.
So suddenly Memory Alpha and the actual script is now wrong, huh?
