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A Better TNG Film Sendoff: What should have been included?

After FC's commercial and critical success, TPTB should have mapped out a coherent plan for ending the TNG movie franchise in a logical way that tied together the broader TNG story and strengthened the broader Trek brand.


Obviously, that didn't happen.


In my perfect world where I controlled Trek, the TNG franchise would have looked like this after FC:


Romulan Movie I: geopolitical theme; introduce new emperor-like Romulan villain; ditch all cloning concepts with Data and Picard; ditch the Reman concept; incorporate Spock and Tomalak; provide an Empire Strikes Back-like, cliff-hanger ending.


Romulan Movie II: geopolitical conclusion to the TNG franchise; fall of Romulan Emperor; death of Tomalak; Picard's farewell to Spock, who continues to work toward his Unification mission; Rommie Empire and Feds establish workable New Peace


Q Movie: franchise comes full-circle with Q and a bright film and hopeful message; Q not as villain, but as Guide/Judge; Q condemns Mankind for recent violence of Feds with Dominion and Rommies; Q transports Ent-E across the universe and introduces them to new and fantastic world where a moral dilemma surrounds a benign race they must help; Data's sacrifice and quest for humanity saves benign race and proves mankind's worth to Continuum; Q wishes Picard well, saying "See you....out there" after JLP rejects Q's offer of immortality; Data provides closure by wishing crew goodbye in a Tasha Yar-like holodeck setting; upbeat and hopeful, the Enterprise sails off in a fade-to-black with the theme song



Obviously, I haven't given this much thought ;)



No, I do like most of your ideas for a three-movie closure to TNG as a series. Except that Q already came full circle in the TV finale All Good Things. But yes, bring on the Romulans and Spock and Tomalek.I love the Data ending too, would have worked quite nicely if not done too long.
 
There's also a very subtle Picard-Crusher love story, a development we learn about in Movie I after Bev confides in Troi that they've been discreetly seeing each other for several months. Movie III centers prominently around Picard trying to decide what his future should be like, as Q shows him multiple different future versions of his life with him as Capt., Adm, or a quiet married man with Bev in rural France.

I am all for the Picard/Crusher love story. I wish it had happened.
 
No, I do like most of your ideas for a three-movie closure to TNG as a series. Except that Q already came full circle in the TV finale All Good Things. But yes, bring on the Romulans and Spock and Tomalek.I love the Data ending too, would have worked quite nicely if not done too long.


I believe AGT's ending left a big opening for Q to return.

Memory Alpha's description of the final scene between JLP and Q:

Picard hopes that he never finds himself in the courtroom again, causing Q to ask if Picard has been paying attention... the trial never ends.

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Picard asks Q if there's something he's trying to tell him, and it appears for an instant that Q is going to tell Picard something meaningful, but at the last second pulls back simply stating that he'll find out... and that he'll be watching, and may even drop in from time to time.
A Q film would have presented certain challenges, but it could have also been fantastic if done correctly.

It would have also appropriately bookended the entire saga, with "All Good Things..." serving as a bridge between "Encounter at Farpoint" and the final (Q) film.

Anyway, I think AGT did leave an opening for Q's return in a film.
 
I am all for the Picard/Crusher love story. I wish it had happened.

Yes. We all knew Deanna and Wil were going to get together.

But you know what? I think Bev was TOO GOOD for Picard. After the way he treated her during the entire series. She deserves a better man.

Now Worf, yeah. McFadden and Dorn had chemistry.
 
I am all for the Picard/Crusher love story. I wish it had happened.


Me too. Big missed opportunity there. They didn't even address it, one way or another. Instead we got a very forgettable one-off affair for JLP in INS.
 
No, I do like most of your ideas for a three-movie closure to TNG as a series. Except that Q already came full circle in the TV finale All Good Things. But yes, bring on the Romulans and Spock and Tomalek.I love the Data ending too, would have worked quite nicely if not done too long.


I believe AGT's ending left a big opening for Q to return.

Memory Alpha's description of the final scene between JLP and Q:

Picard hopes that he never finds himself in the courtroom again, causing Q to ask if Picard has been paying attention... the trial never ends.

----

Picard asks Q if there's something he's trying to tell him, and it appears for an instant that Q is going to tell Picard something meaningful, but at the last second pulls back simply stating that he'll find out... and that he'll be watching, and may even drop in from time to time.
A Q film would have presented certain challenges, but it could have also been fantastic if done correctly.

It would have also appropriately bookended the entire saga, with "All Good Things..." serving as a bridge between "Encounter at Farpoint" and the final (Q) film.

Anyway, I think AGT did leave an opening for Q's return in a film.



Perhaps, but would you have liked it to be like the Q Continuum trilogy by Greg Cox? I too wish Q had played it straight with Picard in AGT but he never really did that even in the most serious episodes of the TV series.
 
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Perhaps, but would you have liked it to be like the Q Continuum trilogy by Greg Cox? I too wish Q had played it straight with Picard in AGT but he never really did that even in the most serious episodes of the TV series.


No, it would have used Q more as a plot device to focus on the crew and get to TNG's endpoint rather than focus on the Continuum or Q himself.

Mine is sort of a cross between It's a Wonderful Life for Q and Picard and Gulliver's Travels for the rest of the crew and an unknown race.


TL;DR version: After leaving DS9, Q appears to JLP and informs him the Trial is back on. The E-E is whisked across the universe, where Data eventually sacrifices himself to complete his journey toward humanity and unite a primitive but magnificent race. Q shows Picard three different versions of his own future (one as captain, one as admiral, one as private citizen) and each has its pro's and con's. Humanity is deemed Not Guilty by the Continuum after Data's decision, and Q returns Picard and crew to the AQ. The ending is somber but hopeful, with the crew members viewing Data's goodbye holo-message before the E-E sails off to the "These are the voyages..." message and the TNG theme music.


I have a longer (but still very condensed) version that I'd post here but I think it might belong on the Fan Fiction board. Since they basically ignore the existence of INS and NEM, my three "films" are detailed but utterly worthless :guffaw:


Still fun though...and I like mine better ;)
 
Humanity is deemed Not Guilty by the Continuum after Data's decision, and Q returns Picard and crew to the AQ. The ending is somber but hopeful,

Wow, I especially like this part.
 
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It would be nice if we could get one more movie or tv movie based on TNG no mnatter how likely it would be now.
 
Humanity is deemed Not Guilty by the Continuum after Data's decision, and Q returns Picard and crew to the AQ. The ending is somber but hopeful,

Wow, I especially like this part.


Thanks :) I’ll go ahead and post the fuller version here --- it’s what this thread is about and….why not? I’ll eventually probably post the real, full versions of all three “films” in the Fan Fiction Forum. Skip now if you don't wanna read it!


Star Trek: Immortality


The “film” begins with our heroes at Quark’s on DS9. In a captain’s log, JLP explains the crew has been enjoying their downtime after the furious fight with the Romulans. The E-E is receiving much-needed repairs, and Geordi has made significant progress working on Data after the Romulan Emperor delivered near-fatal electrical wounds to the android in a fight on Romulus.

After the E-E leaves DS9, Q arrives and whisks them away to an unknown place; a completely different galaxy. The E-E reappears in orbit above a class-M planet, but it’s lost all communication, scanning, weapons, and transporter ability. Q explains the planet below is teeming with wondrous life-forms unlike any they’ve ever encountered. The most advanced of them is a kind-hearted, hunting-and-gathering race that is thousands of years behind Humanity. However, Q explains that while this race has vast potential, they're split between two clans that are odds --- alike in every way except fur color, one with blue fur and the other with orange.

Q transports the main crew (besides JLP) to the surface. He splits them up, sending Data, Geordi, and Crusher to the Blue clan’s territory and Worf, Troi, and Riker to the Orange clan’s territory. Both away teams are amazed at the sights they see, but each group soon encounters their designated furry clan. Immediately, the primitive beings believe them to be “gods” and identify our heroes as the mystical "Star Children of the Prophecy.”

The fuzzy creatures believe their arrival is the fulfillment of an ancient prophecy handed down to their ages ago to their ancestors by the all-powerful “Sky Father.” Both Starfleet groups soon deduce this Sky Father was actually Q, and they’re disgusted by his actions. Nevertheless, they can’t explain the true events to this primitive race, and they realize they are indeed, in a weird way, fulfilling the ancient “prophecy” by simply being pawns there, pawns in Q’s game.

The furry beings explain the Prophecy to our heroes: they, the Star Children, will bring eternal peace between the Orange and Blue clans. This will happen only after the Star Children sacrifice their magical brother, and the Sky Father will then shed a Tear of Fire down from the heavens to show His approval. But the Prophecy has a dark twist; if the Star Children refuse to make this sacrifice, the Orange and Blue clans will never unite and their world will be haunted by discord forever, and eventually war and destruction will destroy both clans. In essence, they believe the Star Children –our heroes –are their only hope.

A young Orange male and a young Blue female, sharing a forbidden and secret love affair, bring the two clans and both away teams together and make communication possible after the both clans "realize" the Prophecy is at hand. The two young lovers' fathers are the chiefs of each clan.

Meanwhile, Q takes JLP to several alternate versions of his own future -- all set ten years later. In the first, Picard is still the captain of the Enterprise, but he quickly realizes something is wrong. In ten-forward, Guinan explains that he still has his Chair, but he’s now all alone, except for Data, who refuses to ever leave him. Everyone else (including Bev) has moved on. Guinan explains he’s alone and unhappy, with nothing but the rigors of command to keep him company.

In the second future, Q takes him to San Francisco, where he's a high-ranking admiral at Starfleet Command. Here, here's extremely well respected and influential, but in a lunch with Dr. LaForge and Ambassador Worf, he learns that Beverly isn't in his life at all, Riker/Troi are on the Titan, and Data died ten years earlier. He’s in command of the entire Federation fleet, but nights are lonely, and his final years will ultimately be spent in solitude.

In the third reality, Picard finds himself in the familiar French vineyard fields again. He walks into a nearby home and sees pictures of he and Beverly together. He looks down and notices a wedding band on his left hand, and almost bursts out laughing. Here, he and Crusher are happily married, quietly living out their twilight years in comfort and seclusion. But after a visit by Riker and Troi (and their 9-year old daughter), JLP learns that Data is dead in this reality also, and he himself resigned from SF a decade ago after being publicly reprimanded for an egregious violation of the Prime Directive. He has company, but now he is discredited and inconsequential.

Frustrated and angry, Picard tells Q he is unhappy with each of these futures and he won’t accept any of them as they’ve been presented. Q laughs and says that it’s not his choice --- these things have already happened; which reality he actually experiences depends on his own choices back at the mystery planet, and whether or not Humanity is found Guilty.

To make a long story short, Data --identified as the magical brother ---eventually agrees to the self-sacrifice, despite Picard's vehement objections. All other crew members, who have fallen in love with the little beings, agree to let Data make his own decision. Data feels the self-sacrifice will complete his path toward humanity. Picard is extremely angry with Q for making them all play this game. Still critically wounded from his fight with the Rommie Emperor, and needing a "plug-in" to survive, Data rejects that opportunity and his own immortality. Despite Picard’s objections, Data allows the little beings to watch as he slowly slips away into death as his systems permanently shut down.

Resolute, Q immediately transports the crew back to the E-E and restores all power to the ship. The senior crew gathers together and they give Data a Spock-like funeral, firing his lifeless body off in a torpedo, down toward the planet. Below, the Orange and Blue clans stand together on the banks of an ocean, and they watch the Star Father's Tear of Fire streak down across the horizon. The little beings hug and cheer, and the two secret lovers openly kiss as both their fathers look on in approval. The Prophecy has been fulfilled. As the torpedo plunges into the ocean, Q stands on a cliff above watching the entire scene, with his long white robes flowing in the wind.

Back on the E-E, Q reveals the little race will now unite in Peace, advance their technology steadily, and eventually go on to forge galactic peace thousands of years later in their own galaxy. Data’s quest for Humanity, and the subsequent sacrifice it produced, will allow an entire galaxy to experience Peace for thousands of years.

Q then whisks JLP away into the cosmos, and he offers the captain a chance at immortality and total knowledge. He tells him all those alternate futures will eventually end with his own death, of course. Instead, Q wants JLP to travel around with him across the universe. He offers Picard a chance to be immortal. But JLP, like Data, refuses immortality and echoes his "time is a friend, not a stalker" philosophy that we saw in Generations. Q is disappointed, but he tells JLP that Humanity has passed the Trial for good -- there will be no more tests – and he returns JLP to the E-E. Q wishes him well, saying “I’ll see you….out there,” before he transports them all back to the AQ and departs for good.

Back in the AQ, Geordi reveals the existence of a Tasha Yar-like holoprogram that Data told him about before he died. The crew meets in a holodeck and the program begins. Like Yar's simulation, a small pad rests on a green hillside, with blue skies and golden sunlight above. Data’s life-size image appears on the pad, and he tells them how much his time with them has meant, and that although he wasn't human, he thinks he knows what love means because he's always cared for all of them. He thanks them all, wishes them well, and says farewell before his projection slowly disappears.

Still on the green hillside, our heroes smile and sniffle; they embrace one another and wipe away a few tears. JLP tells them all how proud he always was to be their captain. But, he says that Q was very wrong about one thing: the future isn't written in stone; it belongs to them --- it will be whatever they make of it. They all nod in agreement, turn and walk back down the green hillside toward the holodeck exit. Worf follows Geordi, Riker and Troi exit arm-in-arm behind them, and Bev and JLP grasp hands and share a warm look before she walks out alone. Picard turns and looks back up at the hillside; he smiles and slightly nods in approval – and then turns his back and walks through the door, back into one of the hallways of the Enterprise.

The audience is left without a true answer regarding Picard's future, although we know Reality #1 is off the table. The future is, as he has said, whatever they make it to be.

The ending scene is the E-E gliding away with Picard voicing a classic "These are the voyages..." log entry….and then the theme music plays as the screen fades to black.



ha! If you actually read all that…hope you liked it!
 
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One of the things that I think hurt the TNG movies is the lack of an arc. Trek II through IV gave us an arc (with some threads being picked up in VI), as Kirk deals with feeling old, learning he has a son, greiving over his son, and in VI, learning to move past his anger over David's death. Spock, of course, sacrificed himself, and had to re-learn everything, picking up on the intellectual stuff first, and the emotional stuff by the end of IV.

The closest we get in the TNG movies is Data's emotion chip, which each movie treated differently (in Generations it malfunctioned and merged with Data's positronic brain, in First Contact he could turn it off at will, in Insurrection he was back to being able to take it out, and it's mostly forgotten about in Nemesis, except for a deleted scene).

Generations provided quite a few details that could have been better addressed in the other movies. For example, Picard losing his family and his feeling the burden of having to carry on the Picard line, which he pretty much resolved was too late to do anything about. In First Contact, Picard could have revealed the threat of the Borg was preventing him from having kids, for fear that the Borg will return or somehow, what the Borg did to him would be passed on to his kids (far fetched, perhaps, but, as Mr. Spock might say, "Fear is illogical"). His argument with Lily could reveal all of this and Lily could reveal similar fears for having children with the memory of World War III still fresh. She could give Picard some speech about creating a better future, which is why she was working with Cochrane.

Then, in Insurrection, Picard's ability to understand the Ba'ku way could be revealed to be a recent thing, where Picard has been learning to let go of his fear of the future and live in the moment. I also think they should have done more with comparing Picard on the Enterprise with the whole idea of living in the moment. He feels comfortable on the ship, and is therefore able to recognize minor things like the misaligned torque sensors. His relationship with Anij could be based on her helping him to further learn to live in the moment. A line of dialogue or so could be added during their conversation in which Anij says she hasn't gotten around to having a husband or kids yet. Picard could mention the same is true for him, but he's afraid its too late, with Anij adding that it needn't be.

Then in Nemesis, Troi and Riker's wedding could help Picard recall what Anij said and make him realize that it really isn't too late. A conversation with Troi could recall their conversation in Geneations about there being no more Picards, with Troi reminding him that it's not too late. Then, they could show Picard going off to ask Beverly for a dance, leaving it ambiguous as to whether they would pursue a relationship or if he was just "living in the moment."
 
Data rejects that opportunity and his own immortality. Despite Picard’s objections, Data allows the little beings to watch as he slowly slips away into death as his systems permanently shut down.

That's Data's sacrifice? They just let him die? I like the rest of your idea, but that part seems...weak. In this scenario, how does his death have anything to do with the conflict between the Blue and Orange Clans? He's not sacrificing himself to save them from something, he's just dying because Q's prophecy says someone has to die? I'm afraid I don't get it.
 
Data rejects that opportunity and his own immortality. Despite Picard’s objections, Data allows the little beings to watch as he slowly slips away into death as his systems permanently shut down.

That's Data's sacrifice? They just let him die? I like the rest of your idea, but that part seems...weak. In this scenario, how does his death have anything to do with the conflict between the Blue and Orange Clans? He's not sacrificing himself to save them from something, he's just dying because Q's prophecy says someone has to die? I'm afraid I don't get it.

yep, this ^^^^^
 
Someone read it and responded?! Thank you :)


Data rejects that opportunity and his own immortality. Despite Picard’s objections, Data allows the little beings to watch as he slowly slips away into death as his systems permanently shut down.
That's Data's sacrifice? They just let him die? I like the rest of your idea, but that part seems...weak. In this scenario, how does his death have anything to do with the conflict between the Blue and Orange Clans? He's not sacrificing himself to save them from something, he's just dying because Q's prophecy says someone has to die? I'm afraid I don't get it.



After rereading what I wrote, I can see why it doesn’t make sense. I wrote that on the fly and didn’t go into a lot of things, but I hint at the answer and the broader story here:


A young Orange male and a young Blue female, sharing a forbidden and secret love affair, bring the two clans and both away teams together and make communication possible after the both clans "realize" the Prophecy is at hand. The two young lovers' fathers are the chiefs of each clan.

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The little beings hug and cheer, and the two secret lovers openly kiss as both their fathers look on in approval. The Prophecy has been fulfilled.
Upthread, I mentioned that this third and final act of my trilogy was one-part Gulliver’s Travels, but I gave the primitive species short shrift in that synopsis.

The concept of the two clans is derived from the Lilliputians and their rival (but practically identical) civilization in Gulliver's. Except here, the little species is a wonderful race; they're kind, generous, loyal, naive, honest, curious, humorous, and just naturally pleasant little beings.


Both sets of our heroes (separated by Q and only given access to one clan each) both come to the same conclusion independently: this is a wonderful and special race worth helping if at all possible.


But the little beings have a big flaw; they're extremely competitive and distrustful with the "Other" of their own species. Though alike in virtually every way, the Blues and Oranges can't get beyond their own insignificant differences.


This is exasperated by the ego, pride, and mistrust of the two chiefs. But the offspring of these two chiefs have secretly fallen in love with each other, even though such a relationship is explicitly forbidden.


When each clan discovers an away team in their territory roughly at the same time, the two young lovers secretly confide in each other of what's happened and both believe it to be the Prophecy coming true. Each of the young lovers tells their chief/parent of what's happened on the Other side, and they eventually bring the two sides together and make communication possible.


When the two sides come together, our heroes tell each other how much they've come to love the little beings they've encountered. Despite the crew's pleas to both clans (how their similarities far outweigh their petty differences) both chiefs interpret a failure of the Prophecy to mean the Star Father has abandoned them and only War will solve their longstanding rivalry. This is reinforced by the Prophecy itself, as it (Q) basically says to them: "these Star Children will save you or you will fight."


The little guys "catch" Geordi working on Data's open cranium ---blinking lights and all. They're then convinced Data is the Magical Brother of the Prophecy: the Sacrifice. And there's nothing our heroes can say or do to change the minds of their new little friends. Q has disabled all transporter, comm, and weapons systems of both our heroes in orbit and on the ground.


So, Data ---already in bad shape because of his previous wounds ---eventually sacrifices himself to help them and give them a future. Data is as impressed with them as everyone else, and he argues that nothing is more Human than giving one's own life to help the innocent and less fortunate during their greatest time of need.


So Data completes his quest and allows them a chance to go forward with theirs.


Based on his decision, the Continuum rules in Humanity's favor.
 
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That makes a little bit more sense...but still, it basically seems like Q says "One of you has to die" and they pick Data.
 
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