But— but— The internet told me they were failures so it must be true!
A ‘Star Wars’ Movie Directed by a Woman Is ‘Absolutely’ Happening, Vows Kathleen Kennedy
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But— but— The internet told me they were failures so it must be true!
It's not that the movies have been financial flops except one in Solo. It's the question of how much are people liking the product. I think's a very real concern that they might be making the money mostly off the brand name and the Skywalker saga was people's last chance to see Han,Luke,Leia etc again. Plus you can just tell Star Wars is not as beloved now as it was when it came to Disney and part of that was because I don't think the new characters truly jelled with people in the way the classic SW movies characters did. A same issue the prequels had.
Also the MCU has basically become the new Star Wars for a younger generation and I think it means to them what SW did to my generation and the Boomers before me. Also special effects is something you see everywhere so you see the specialness of the brand slowly falling apart bit by bit. And the one thing people seem to love in The Mandorlian was done mostly without major input from the person who is charge which is the other issue. Kennedy is already at Berman(Voyager years) level love with the fandom but it seems like Trek they are going to stick with her until the brand is completely dead and they will have to revive it later with someone else.
The other issue is politics which we can't really predict. The franchise has been basically a huge front of the culture war and who knows how that plays out. How people feel is going to have lot to do with how people are feeling about the world. It could be the franchise has caused such a big shift in fandom based on real world politics that you will never have that kind of old mainstream success again because movies that become as big SW and the MCU often get that success by appealing to everyone. In this day and age I am beginning to feel like politics are starting to factor into whether people will like or watch a movie and that wasn't really the case so much back in the past.
Jason
You're 100 percent right about this--and that is exactly why the woke needs of people like Kennedy are actually sexist/racist, etc. There ARE talented women out there, but because of people like Kennedy, they will have been considered to only get the job because of gender rather than merit--even IF they really are the best person for the job.
You don't counter discrimination with discrimination. That's just dumb.
All of which could be just as easily put down to market saturation, which may well require a hiatus and that's no terrible thing. Also bear in mind you're saying people are falling out of love with the franchise, but likewise others are falling in love. You've said only Solo flopped and that TLJ and TRoS succeeded on the basis of character nostalgia. One sentence later you had to qualify that with a "but" for Mandolorian, which is the other major current vehicle for the franchise. That doesn't really sit well as a dire characterisation of the situation at all, far from it, and really could be summarised as "Solo didn't do too well".
We really need to get away from the idea Disney are suffering and scratching their heads wondering whom to fire and what lessons to learn. They'd already learnt their lessons decades ago and it's the rest of us playing catch up. They aren't just a film studio and their success isn't tied to the Box Office in the way other studios are. Disney are about getting people buying their products, visiting their parks, staying in their hotels, spending money and cross pollinating fandoms. Go to Disneyworld an MCU fan and leave a Beauty and the Beast fan, that cross product exposure is a major part of their success.
As for culture wars, meh. Star Wars and Star Trek have been localised skirmishes, but that's it. They're certainly not "huge fronts". It's simply that as skirmishes they are ones which we as fans have been particularly aware of.
Ask most random members of the public about the two and you'll mostly get comments like, "I like that one, beam me up Scotty", or "bshooow bshooow" as people pretend to swing lightsabers. What you won't hear all that often is "DSC/The Sequels represent a shifting trend towards forced diversity in the culture of Hollywood", because those discussions aren't really all that common outside of fan circles.
First, saturation is not a good argument. People made that argument with the decline of Star Trek under Berman and Braga. It wasn't saturated. It was just that the quality of storytelling declined. I believe the same thing happened with Star Wars.
People in general loved Clone Wars and Rebels. What saturation could there have been for the sequel trilogy? I don't believe the franchise was saturated--I believe the stories were not good.
Quality matters. Kennedy seems to care more about being woke than making good movies, and her movies did not do as well as they should have done. The same thing doomed Doctor Who.
People in general loved Clone Wars and Rebels. What saturation could there have been for the sequel trilogy? I don't believe the franchise was saturated--I believe the stories were not good.
Quality matters. Kennedy seems to care more about being woke than making good movies, and her movies did not do as well as they should have done. The same thing doomed Doctor Who.
A director is.. or at least has been.. ultimately responsible for 100% of everything you see on screen. Even if they didn't write the story. They are the storytellers. The ONLY reason I say "has been" is because of the whole shared universe thing, where the producers and the higher ups are making the creative decisions.. even then it's still up to the director to actually tell the story that is being told.. from the big set-pieces to the smallest details. So go ahead and continue to be wrong.
Why? Because the people here are so insecure about their position that they straw man mine? Because everyone here is all leftists who hope that everyone is included, complain when someone is left out, and they hopes the government will pay for everything.. forgetting that said government will then have that control and will never let it go? I don't want to to talk politics anymore but it's been brought up many times that most of the people here are leftists, and I guess I'm fine with that.. save for the fact that they attack people who suddenly offend a hair on their head
I think it's part of the publicity now to talk like that this day and age. We can argue why a certain director should or should not be hired but it has no bearing on whether the next film is good or bad. If a woman director is talented she will make a good movie.
It doesn't matter what she talks about. Diversity is great but it has no bearing one way or the other on whether a film is good or not. People still love The Wizard of Oz and It's A Wonderful Life..
Sure .. yes.. she will.
Or she can make a bad movie.
I had often thought that the director's gender had no effect on the final product. With regards to Star Wars, I still believe that.. Star Wars is a fairy tale that has in itself no gender. So why they are talking about hiring someone just because of their gender is beyond me.
I'm open to exceptions. I think Patty Jenkins directing Monster and even Wonder Woman - and her sensibilities as a woman.. helped those films.. like in Wonder Woman, there is no way you can NOT show that Gal is absolutely gorgeous, yet her big reveal at No Man's Land was decidedly more about her power than her sexuality, and a female's eyes in directing and supervising the editing were a huge part of that no doubt.
so I'm not planting my feet in the ground and am simply not listening. But I just think it's a fairly asinine qualification for Star Wars
Blame KK. If she hired female directors and just had them working, that would be fine. But no, she had to make this ABOUT the fact that the people she hires WERE female. Or that her writer's group were female. Press conference after press conference she was talking about their womanhood, not the story, not the ideas.. And while a lot of people here may like the films, they are divisive among the fanbase, and the fact that she just keeps goin on about the womanhood of the people she hires at just about every turn, while simultaneously the trilogy she spearheaded is a tonal mess, with endless retconning, unexplained plot points, and no consistent vision, and while many projects under her reign were announced and either discarded or changed directors, shows that her focus has been in exactly the wrong areas as head of a studio in a creative capacity
IMHO, the popularity of those two movies are going to decrease over time as the racial makeup of the population in North America changes and the people who were fans die off, even with the annual TV broadcasts (it's already happened to Gone With The Wind.)
if that were true, then why are all of the main characters males (original trilogy and prequel trilogy) and also, why did people object to Rey being the main character of this new trilogy?
The thing is, there's been a lack of women directing, producing, and writing movies, and the industry is noticing this, henceforth this recent focus on getting women to direct, write, produce and appear in mainstream movies like these.
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That's my position as well. Leave the politics out of this.
In my list of things I want in a movie/tv etc.. the Gender/race/etc of the director, writer, lead star etc. falls WAY under
1. QUALITY SCRIPT!
I just keep thinking to that 80's Movie... Secret of My Success.. with Michael J Fox.. first part on how He was perfect for the job.... but not a minority woman.. ugh. (Sorry for quaity of clip).
Mrs. Meacham : Outstanding! Outstanding!
Brantley Foster : You're not going to tell me I have too much experience, are you?
Mrs. Meacham : Certainly not - you're perfect for the job.
Brantley Foster : Great!
Mrs. Meacham : Except...
Brantley Foster : No! No exceptions! I want this job, I need it, I can do it. Everywhere I've been today there's always been something wrong, too young, too old, too short, too tall. Whatever the exception is, I can fix it. I can be older, I can be taller, I can be anything.
Mrs. Meacham : Can you be a minority woman?
1. QUALITY SCRIPT!
I just keep thinking to that 80's Movie... Secret of My Success.. with Michael J Fox.. first part on how He was perfect for the job.... but not a minority woman.. ugh. (Sorry for quaity of clip).
Mrs. Meacham : Outstanding! Outstanding!
Brantley Foster : You're not going to tell me I have too much experience, are you?
Mrs. Meacham : Certainly not - you're perfect for the job.
Brantley Foster : Great!
Mrs. Meacham : Except...
Brantley Foster : No! No exceptions! I want this job, I need it, I can do it. Everywhere I've been today there's always been something wrong, too young, too old, too short, too tall. Whatever the exception is, I can fix it. I can be older, I can be taller, I can be anything.
Mrs. Meacham : Can you be a minority woman?
Haha! I rewatched 'The Secret of My Success' over the weekend for the first time in probably 20 years. That movie is fucking great.
The blockbuster movie industry is far behind the times in this regard. More diversity among storytellers means a greater variety of storytelling voices and an increased diversity of ideas, leading to an increased range and scope of stories to tell, and a more creatively fecund environment for expanding the lore in new and challenging directions instead of remaining stuck wallowing in the same tired, old, artistically bankrupt spot.
Kor
Kor
You truly show that you simply have no clue what you're talking about. On any level.
The studio has to greenlight every decision the director makes, they can simply strike things off in the budgeting phase, or in the editing phase. The director doesn't have as much control as you think. Why do you think it comes across as a big deal when a director negotiates having the final say over the theatrical cut of a film?
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