6x07 A Good Man Goes To War (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS!
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Now this was a great episode! I loved everything about it. Some great one liners, like Amy asking the soldier girl for her gun, to the Doctor's "hugging and crying, excuse me a moment." The battle was really cool. I'd already read spoilers regarding River's identity, so that wasn't really a surprise for me.
All the various guest characters were really great. River's blue alien friend continues to be cool, though a shame he got killed. I was hoping to see him again. The Silurian and her human sidekick were awesome, and here's hoping we do see them again. Mind you, they seemed surprisingly at ease around futuristic technology for someone who lived in 1888. Maybe they've already had a few adventures with the Doctor? And finally, Strax the Sontaran kicked ass. I find modern Who does a great job with Sontarans anyway, and this guy continues in the fine tradition.
On the nitpick side of things, these soldiers do belong to the military/church that Octavian and his gang were with in the Weeping Angel story, right? If so, why does Colonel Manton have a military rank as oppsed to a religious title like Octavian (who was a Bishop)?
And this is more a question of how they could have practically pulled this off, Captain Avery and his son (and presumably the other pirates) took Eyepatch Lady's ship. But The Curese of the Black Spot was supposed to be part of the second half of the season and was moved to the first half rather recentally, some time this year I believe. So how could they have put characters from that episode in a scene in this one? Hell, it was a pretty pivotal scene at that.
So yeah, a great episode, but it is a shame that it's taken this season seven episodes, and the end of its first half to actually build some momentum. Oh well, here's hoping for a kick ass second half, and with a title like Let's Kill Hitler, it'll be difficult for episode 8 to disappoint.
All the various guest characters were really great. River's blue alien friend continues to be cool, though a shame he got killed. I was hoping to see him again. The Silurian and her human sidekick were awesome, and here's hoping we do see them again. Mind you, they seemed surprisingly at ease around futuristic technology for someone who lived in 1888. Maybe they've already had a few adventures with the Doctor? And finally, Strax the Sontaran kicked ass. I find modern Who does a great job with Sontarans anyway, and this guy continues in the fine tradition.
On the nitpick side of things, these soldiers do belong to the military/church that Octavian and his gang were with in the Weeping Angel story, right? If so, why does Colonel Manton have a military rank as oppsed to a religious title like Octavian (who was a Bishop)?
And this is more a question of how they could have practically pulled this off, Captain Avery and his son (and presumably the other pirates) took Eyepatch Lady's ship. But The Curese of the Black Spot was supposed to be part of the second half of the season and was moved to the first half rather recentally, some time this year I believe. So how could they have put characters from that episode in a scene in this one? Hell, it was a pretty pivotal scene at that.
So yeah, a great episode, but it is a shame that it's taken this season seven episodes, and the end of its first half to actually build some momentum. Oh well, here's hoping for a kick ass second half, and with a title like Let's Kill Hitler, it'll be difficult for episode 8 to disappoint.
I missed a couple of eps from Series 5; when did the Doctor meet the Silurian woman?
I don't believe he did onscreen.
I missed a couple of eps from Series 5; when did the Doctor meet the Silurian woman?
I don't believe he did onscreen.
Ah. Same with the Blue Guy, I'd guess then?
I assume they moved the script from one half to the other before they began filming, allowing time for minor rewrites.
It's an unseen adventure. We don't even know which Doctor it was with.
I missed a couple of eps from Series 5; when did the Doctor meet the Silurian woman?
I don't believe he did onscreen.
Ah. Same with the Blue Guy, I'd guess then?
He sold River the Vortex Manipulator in The Pandorica Opens but don't feel bad I read that somewhere and did not actually remember it.
Thanks for the info guys, that clears things up just a bit.
All in all, not too shabby of an outing. I'm guessing then that River was the regenerating little girl, and that she's now somewhere in 1969 in a new form?
Since that leads to the inevitable conclusion then that she was in the astronaut suit, then that means that she does indeed, kill the Doctor... Which sort of makes sense of what River once said about having killed the best man she ever knew.
All in all, not too shabby of an outing. I'm guessing then that River was the regenerating little girl, and that she's now somewhere in 1969 in a new form?
Since that leads to the inevitable conclusion then that she was in the astronaut suit, then that means that she does indeed, kill the Doctor... Which sort of makes sense of what River once said about having killed the best man she ever knew.
It did indeed take quite awhile to build up this momentum, but this ep almost made it worth the wait. I just hope that the final ep leaves us with a satisfactory ending.
That was definitely an excellent episode. But it was so rushed. Really could have used a two parter. Unlike, say, the previous two parter which was just 90 minutes of airtime crammed into 45 minutes of story. I mean seriously, why do that super slow do nothing two parter, then immediately follow it up with the ending of a huge epic story without showing the middle?
I actually did not see that revelation coming. I was thinking she was his mother or his sister!
I actually did not see that revelation coming. I was thinking she was his mother or his sister!
Just like to throw in that sometimes the best man a girl ever knows... is her father.
On another topic, I'm taking a short sabbatical, got lots of stuff to do I can't do dropping in here all the time, many projects. So I'll be back for the 2nd half of the season. As usual. it's been fun. Well, with most of you anyway. Let's not mentions any names.
As they say, catch you on the flip side.
On another topic, I'm taking a short sabbatical, got lots of stuff to do I can't do dropping in here all the time, many projects. So I'll be back for the 2nd half of the season. As usual. it's been fun. Well, with most of you anyway. Let's not mentions any names.
As they say, catch you on the flip side.
Amy says she's glad she missed, and if it did cause her to regenerate it took a long time, something like 9 months, to happen. And yes, that was Ganger Amy for the entire half of the series.
She's horrified because she's realized that, given the reverse nature of their encounters, some time soon when she sees him, the Doctor won't know who she is -- it will be his first time meeting her.
I don't find that dichotomy amusing, I find it exploitative. Sexuality should be something inherent in the characters (even if it is depicted in a moderated fashion), not something absent from their emotional lives yet present in their clothing. Removing the sexual/romantic element from the characters' emotional lives yet having them wear revealing clothing has the effect of objectifying the character, such that their sexuality literally becomes externalized, a matter of the object, rather than a matter of their own self-will and identity. Sexual objects rather than fully emotional subjects. I absolutely hate that dichotomy.
Who's to say that that adventure the Doctor, Rory, and Amy went on at the end of "The Big Bang" (the one with the Orient Express IN SPACE, Her Majesty, and an Egyptian goddess) did not involve the TARDIS spending an extended amount of subjective time in the Vortex?
Well, yeah, it is by definition pronounced rather than implied when it's stated. And that is a good thing.
What makes you think the BBC ordered it? Is there any particular reason not to think Steven Moffat put it there because he wanted it there?
No. They didn't need to do anything in the episode. They don't need to do anything in any episode. They chose to.
Was Bucket a heterosexual? Why make that assumption?
Heterosexuals make up the overwhelming majority of the population and probably always will. People will always tend to assume that someone else they meet is straight by default (as you did above with Bucket) unless told otherwise.
Meanwhile, there's nothing wrong with announcing to the world that you're gay, and there's nothing wrong with the characters announcing it.
I think the tongue gag made that pretty obvious.
No, it means that the Gamma Forrest people heard the name "Doctor" and appropriated it in their language to mean "warrior." Dr. Song is a doctor in the English-speaking Human culture (or whatever future language the TARDIS is translating for us) in the same sense we use the term doctor.
If you're not anti-gay, why have a problem with characters saying they're gay -- particularly in the casual, humor-filled way the Thin One and the Fat One did? It wasn't like they went around screaming, "OH BY THE WAY I'M GAY."
There's nothing shocking about gay people or about gay people mentioning in passing that they're gay.
Unless you're in a state that allows same-sex marriage, every time you mention having a wife, girlfriend, ex-girlfriend, fiance, children, or wear a wedding or engagement ring, or mention finding someone of the opposite sex attractive, you are, in point of fact, advertising your heterosexuality.
You just don't realize it because heterosexuals make up such a large percentage of the population that their public declarations of heterosexuality go unnoticed as background noise. People accept them as the "default setting" and only notice things that are different.
You mean in the all of two lines where the Thin One and the Fat One joked about themselves as a way of being friendly?
Until people stop finding someone saying they're gay shocking, moral artists should continue depicting LGBT characters who openly and overtly announce their orientations. They should keep doing it until everyone finds declarations of homosexuality to be as boring and mundane as they do declarations of heterosexuality.
Well, "A Good Man Goes to War" has to take place some time before the scene with Dorium in "The Pandorica Opens," because he dies in "Good Man." The scene in "The Pandorica Opens" takes place in 5145, the 52nd Century. So even though River is supposedly from the 51st Century, she apparently spent a lot of time in the 52nd Century, wherein she was imprisoned at Stormcage before making her way to Dorium.
No, she's imprisoned in the 52nd Century. She breaks out of Stormcage in the year 5145. Just as 1945 was the 20th Century, 5145 will be the 52nd Century.
Now that we know who River is, I would be very interested to re-watch the Angels two parter and see what her reaction was when she was introduced to Amy and Rory.
So this also means that it's Lil' River who kills the Doctor in the premiere. I guess this is the crime that she's in jail for as I always suspected, killing the Doctor. However she's working with the same Catholic army keeping her in jail for killing Doctor as the ones that try to kill the Doctor in the first place, no? Do they have a change of heart?
So this also means that it's Lil' River who kills the Doctor in the premiere. I guess this is the crime that she's in jail for as I always suspected, killing the Doctor. However she's working with the same Catholic army keeping her in jail for killing Doctor as the ones that try to kill the Doctor in the first place, no? Do they have a change of heart?
Was anyone else distracted by the "speed up" of the last half of the episode on BBC America last night? It felt like I was watching a DVD at 1 1/2-times speed.
