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6x07 A Good Man Goes To War (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS!

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The 10th Doctor: "Who are you?"

River: "I'm the child of two of your future companions, conceived in the TARDIS and therefore augmented with Time Lord abilities from the vortex.

I've seen it in the show and read this on the internet and gosh it just bugs me to no end!

The time of sex != time of conception. Human females have an approximate max of 5 days of fertile time each cycle. Why? Not because our eggs live for 5 days after ovulation, simply because human male sperm is capable of living for 5 days in fertile cervical fluids.

So Melody could've been conceived up to 5 days after their wedding night. How do we know they were on the Tardis for 5 days? As The Doctor said, he needs more information, and so do I. I'm not buying the simple explanation presented to us--it's just not accurate as currently presented.

Is this nit-picking? No. Everyone capable of becoming pregnant or impregnating should know this, including Moffat and the editors.
 
I've seen it in the show and read this on the internet and gosh it just bugs me to no end!

The time of sex != time of conception. Human females have an approximate max of 5 days of fertile time each cycle. Why? Not because our eggs live for 5 days after ovulation, simply because human male sperm is capable of living for 5 days in fertile cervical fluids.

So Melody could've been conceived up to 5 days after their wedding night.

And if my mother had wheels, she'd be a wagon. Your equation (time of sex != time of conception) is not always true. Sometimes it does happen (well within a few minutes/hours). Some people are just lucky like that :devil:
 
I've seen it in the show and read this on the internet and gosh it just bugs me to no end!

The time of sex != time of conception. Human females have an approximate max of 5 days of fertile time each cycle. Why? Not because our eggs live for 5 days after ovulation, simply because human male sperm is capable of living for 5 days in fertile cervical fluids.

So Melody could've been conceived up to 5 days after their wedding night.

And if my mother had wheels, she'd be a wagon. Your equation (time of sex != time of conception) is not always true. Sometimes it does happen (well within a few minutes/hours). Some people are just lucky like that :devil:

Also, it's reasonable to assume that being inside a time machine could have moved the process along a little faster.
 
Also, it's reasonable to assume that being inside a time machine could have moved the process along a little faster.

Perhaps.

just an fyi... conception never takes a matter of minutes as the sperm has to work for hours just to penetrate the layers of the egg.
 
The Doctor leaves his friends behind to take off and find their child and the audience doesn't know what happens after that.
Hm, I dunno. The (possibly incorrect) character lists on IMDB do more for me than the ending in making me trouble about the next episodes. It's not like they haven't told us what's going to happen, we just not know exactly how, so I'm thrilled about a good story, not about what's going to happen in it. But maybe it's just me. :)
 
And yeah, while there are obvious drawbacks to being seen as the baddest mother in time and space, there are definite benefits, too. If he'd done it in "Human Nature," for instance, it would've saved a lot of lives.
Well, perhaps we could see that as a tipping point, or certainly an event that made him start changing the way he did things.

In "Human Nature"/"The Family of Blood," he ran away rather than face the bad guys directly ("You coward!" "Oh yes, sir, every time.") He wanted them to just not be able to find him until they ran out of life, so they would die without him getting his hands dirty. Obviously that backfired pretty spectacularly, and Nurse Redfern guilted him pretty bad over it.

Later, he admitted that what he did to Martha over the course of "The Sound of Drums"/"Last of the Time Lords" pretty much ruined her life, giving her family a year's worth of PTSD in a few minutes and turning Martha into a hardass soldier instead of a Doctor.

So maybe that's when he decided he needed to start being more proactive, taking the fight to the bad guys rather than letting them come to him, taking the hard road himself rather than forcing his companions to do it. Hence the attitude in "Forest of the Dead" where he dares the Vashta Nerada to take him on.

Notice that all the companions he had before this change of heart were the ones who turned into warriors in "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End" - exactly what the Doctor didn't want them to do. They shouldn't have to, he should be the one to do that. The companion he had after the change of heart - Donna - didn't fight at all. She was terrified, didn't know what to do. Perhaps the companions reflect on the attitudes of the Doctor at each particular time.

So again, the result is to turn into more of a badass himself, rather than force other people to do it. No more regular companions, because he doesn't want to do to them what he already did to Rose, Martha, Donna, Jack, Sarah Jane etc. Thus at the same time as he's thinking, I've got to be tougher, he's also not got anyone to tell him, no you don't. Hence the Arrogance of the Time Lord arc of the Specials season. He starts to believe his own hype - hey, I am the baddest mother in time and space, so don't mess. I can do what the hell I want. He turned into exactly what he was trying to stop other people from turning into.

I had hoped that facing an entire race of his own people who'd gone through the same changes, and seeing up front just how bad it was, and deliberately humbling himself in response, we would have got over this. But apparently even a regeneration didn't entirely rid of him of this attitude, as his first act as 11 is to bully an alien race with the force of his fearsome reputation. "Who da man?!"

By the time of "The Pandorica Opens," and his big speech of "Let someone else take the first shot," he's basically just confirming all everyone else's worst fears about him, that he's spent a while now making sure they believe about him.
 
his first act as 11 is to bully an alien race with the force of his fearsome reputation. "Who da man?!"

You mean the aliens that were going to incenerate the entire Earth (who did nothing to them by the way) just to get an escaped prisoner.

By the time of "The Pandorica Opens," and his big speech of "Let someone else take the first shot," he's basically just confirming all everyone else's worst fears about him, that he's spent a while now making sure they believe about him.

You mean the everyone being pretty much just about every BADGUY that has been on the show at this point who from what he knew wanted to release some horrible thing on the universe which would unleash death and destruction everywhere it goes in some universal domination plan.
 
So, if students used to think they could get high by licking toads, does Jenny the Maid(en) get high licking the lizard? I so want to delve into that...
 
his first act as 11 is to bully an alien race with the force of his fearsome reputation. "Who da man?!"

You mean the aliens that were going to incenerate the entire Earth (who did nothing to them by the way) just to get an escaped prisoner.

By the time of "The Pandorica Opens," and his big speech of "Let someone else take the first shot," he's basically just confirming all everyone else's worst fears about him, that he's spent a while now making sure they believe about him.

You mean the everyone being pretty much just about every BADGUY that has been on the show at this point who from what he knew wanted to release some horrible thing on the universe which would unleash death and destruction everywhere it goes in some universal domination plan.
Hey, I never said he was wrong to stop the bad guys. Just that this is how they see him - as somebody who boasts about how badass he is and threatens their plans.
 
So, if students used to think they could get high by licking toads, does Jenny the Maid(en) get high licking the lizard? I so want to delve into that...
Whoa.

Speaking as an amateur herpetologist ...

I'll be in mah bunk!
 
Wow! I...wow! That was absolutely fantastic. I'm not sure that I can yet articulate how fantastic it was. But I shall try.

Rory has finally become a badass. Yes, Rory, you are cool, even when you're crying with your wife.

Varsha and Jenny were wonderful, and we need to see more of them.

I feel like the Sontaran nurse gave us more characterization to the Sontarans than anything in the past 40 years. Bravo!

I'm kicking myself for not seeing the Eye Patch Lady's shell game with Melody until she mentioned that she fooled the Doctor twice the same way.

I saw River as Amy and Rory's daughter way back from Day of the Moon. I'm not sure what it was, but this was the only thing that made sense.

I'm assuming that this is where the Doctor starts running "faster than [he's] ever run before". I bet that we end up seeing things from the Doctor in the bunker in 1943 and things from River, Amy & Rory trying to find him. I don't think we'll see the resolution of his death until the end of the season, though. I really hope that the Doctor is saved through timey-wimeyness instead of a Flesh switcharoo, but I think the latter is more likely.

I also had a crazy theory last night: what if River and Melody actually end up being separate people? The Eye Patch Lady, for some reason or another, makes another Ganger copy of Melody before the Doctor can rescue her. That copy ends up becoming "real" thanks to the TARDIS, just as Dicken did. One version of Melody goes home to Leadworth with Amy & Rory. The other version of Melody becomes River. (It just seems cruel to deprive the two of raising their daughter.)
 
I think of all the characters in the last 1 and a half seasons of this show, my favorite has become Rory. It feels like he's gotten the most development, going from this nitwit to this brave young man who will stop and nothing to protect his wife and I think it might be some of the best character development this show has done in the 7 years I've been watching. I know his time on the show is almost over, but for what he's had, he's been an awesome character and probably my second favorite companion behind Donna.
 
I watched this again last night, and if anything I loved it more second time around, and you know what, even though I knew before the first viewing, even though I obviously knew last night, I still got chills down my spine at the River reveal, that shows how good it was.
 
I thought the episode was okay.. not my overall favourite mind you, but it did well.. Just watched it last night..

Is it me or did the obviously stated Homosexual references seem to be pronouncements, rather then implied..I almost felt like that the BBC ordered there be a more announced reference..why did they need to spell it out for us? So what about the pronouncement made by a guy or the girl who died in the battle around the Tardis, why didn't she announce herself as heterosexual and attracted to the doctor? Or is Rory and Amy's relationship the only example and need not be said..

either way, it seemed a bit overly announced..almost like wearing a T-shirt saying and "yes we are the homosexual characters".. I did like the playfulness between the silurian and her mate though..which wasn't like the two men making their out and out statement.. though one wonders how a silurian and human could ahem... "play with" each other..

The bit with River's real name and her true identity I saw coming, however..

I think that the whole name of the "doctor" meaning warrior is perplexing to me..

So does that mean that Doctor Song is actually Warrior song?



I suppose some of you are going to attack me on that subject.. as usual..but I am really not anti-Gay..I was born in Lakenheith lived there for awhile, and then we moved to America..I suppose I have gotten used to American Television where subjects like that are heavily subdued.. to me it just seems to be a very liberal attitude with Brit shows is all, and sometimes I find the outright pronouncements within them a bit shocking..

I mean it's not like I walk into a room and put out my hand and say hi my name is starsuperion, and oh by the way I am heterosexual.. and a bit later "oh did I mention I am straight?" and just to remind you "I am heterosexual"..however the recent episode felt like it was done that way..and it seems to be the running theme of how to get the point across.. which just erks me..
 
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One thing that puzzled me somewhat was the Earth forces strategy. A space fleet, fighters, and a small army of soldiers hardly seems the best way to track down and capture one man. You'd think it'd make more sens eto go the Empire Strikes Back route and hire bounty hunters and armed agents and disperse them about civilized space to look for any word of the Doctor.
Yeah, I know it was just a trap, but obviously the humans didn't know that.

So anyone who knows guns. Were the human troops using 20th century firearms? They did look rather futuristic, even if they did still fire bullets.
 
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Notice that all the companions he had before this change of heart were the ones who turned into warriors in "The Stolen Earth"/"Journey's End" - exactly what the Doctor didn't want them to do. They shouldn't have to, he should be the one to do that. The companion he had after the change of heart - Donna - didn't fight at all. She was terrified, didn't know what to do. Perhaps the companions reflect on the attitudes of the Doctor at each particular time.

So again, the result is to turn into more of a badass himself, rather than force other people to do it. No more regular companions, because he doesn't want to do to them what he already did to Rose, Martha, Donna, Jack, Sarah Jane etc. Thus at the same time as he's thinking, I've got to be tougher, he's also not got anyone to tell him, no you don't. Hence the Arrogance of the Time Lord arc of the Specials season. He starts to believe his own hype - hey, I am the baddest mother in time and space, so don't mess. I can do what the hell I want. He turned into exactly what he was trying to stop other people from turning into.

Over in the Sontaran thread, Bacl pointed out a difference in the "Good Man" group of the Doctor's friends to the "Stolen Earth" group: These people were all reformed fighters. I can't help but wonder if that applies to this subject. On the one hand, you have a devotedly (if only technically) pacifistic Doctor who ends up having other people do his dirty work and turns regular people into weapons, which is monstrous, but on the other hand, you have a Doctor who redeemed the warrior, the arms (and wrists) dealer, the... lesbian lizard sewer monster... and turned them into nonviolent (more or less) protectors of the innocent, while he was japing around butchering thousands of cybermen just to make sure they didn't try something, tricking people into shooting their buddies, and completely devastating a guy who, let's be honest, was just doing his job and almost certainly had nothing to do with deciding to get at the Doctor through his friends. And that's pretty monstrous, too.

He needs to learn to square the circle, to be able to be the better man, the good man who doesn't need rules to make him safe, while also not influencing his friends to learn the wrong lessons.
 
Or, more likely, they've actually spent a fair amount of time in the TARDIS. There's a reason they have a bedroom.
 
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