Is it me or did the obviously stated Homosexual references seem to be pronouncements, rather then implied..I almost felt like that the BBC ordered there be a more announced reference..
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I suppose some of you are going to attack me on that subject.. as usual..but I am really not anti-Gay..
..I suppose I have gotten used to American Television where subjects like that are heavily subdued.. to me it just seems to be a very liberal attitude with Brit shows is all, and sometimes I find the outright pronouncements within them a bit shocking..
Well, I'll try not to be attacking, and more patient. But you do mean shocking as in "unexpected," not shocking as in "inappropriate," right?
I mean it's not like I walk into a room and put out my hand and say hi my name is starsuperion, and oh by the way I am heterosexual.. and a bit later "oh did I mention I am straight?" and just to remind you "I am heterosexual"..
Of course you don't, because you don't have to. This is the thing that seems so difficult for people to grasp. You don't have to announce your heterosexuality, because it's simply assumed. You're the majority, and therefore the default assumption.
But you DO announce your heterosexuality all the time, nonetheless. Everytime you go to the bar and say, "I'll have a pint, and a white wine for the wife," you're announcing your heterosexuality. Everytime a colleague asks you what you did over the weekend, and you reply, "Just went shopping with the missus and the kids," you're announcing your heterosexuality. Every comment in this thread that has reduced lesbian relationships to "I'll be in my bunk" has announced the poster's heterosexuality (not to mention tastelessness). You don't even realise you're doing it because again, you're the default. But you ARE doing it, all the time.
And yet, when we have one male character on TV introducing another man as his husband, suddenly it's a "pronouncement" that is so outrageous it could only possibly be the result of orders from on high, because no normal person ever talks like that.
Do you see the double standard?
Personally, I'm glad that sexuality is being trivialized this way, its a great way to teach the kids that a differences in sexuality are not to be afraid of, and sexual relationships are not taboo.
Exactly.
Doctor Who is bringing us a long way in that regard, and
starsuperion is correct that British TV is a lot more forward with including LGBT characters in their programming as a matter of course than American TV is.
I'll use my sister's family as an example. Her two children, now 8 and 10, have known me and my husband since birth. We are a part of their family. I asked my sister how she addressed my relationship with them. She said that her son, the 10-year-old, came to her one time and asked, "Uncle M and Uncle J are married, right?" That's right, she said. "Even though they're both men?" Yep, she said. A man can marry a man, and a woman can marry a woman if they want. Doesn't matter. In fact, she told him, Uncle M and Uncle J are actually married, whereas Uncle F and Auntie S (her husband's in-laws)
aren't married, even though they've been together for years. My nephew paused, thought about it for a second, then just said, "Okay then" and wandered off to the next thing.
It's as simple as that. Not a big pronouncement, but simple acceptance of fact.
"We're the fat, thin, gay, married Anglicans, what do we need with name" or words to that effect.
Which, when you think about it, implies that something in that combination isn't common in the 51st century. Perhaps there aren't many fat people around by then ...
I saw that line as a dig at the Church of England and its present err... difficulties... over the matter of homosexuality. What stuck me as a pity was the implicit suggestion that 'gay married anglican' would be stand-out even in the 51st century. I hope and pray they get their act together before then!
I wouldn't necessarily say that - perhaps it only meant that there were enough distinguishing features between them as a couple, not that any one of those features was especially remarkable by itself. Seriously, how many couples can there be that have a fat one, a thin one, are both men, and both priests, and both soldiers?
Or maybe Fat One was just making a joke? He did seem to be the joker of the couple, while Thin One was the worrier.
Well if Jack is your average 51st century guy then maybe being married at all is the stand out fact?
Those 51st Century pheromones will get ya every time.
But a question - y'all are talking about 51st century all over the place, but I don't recall anything in the episode specifically establishing that this episode was set in the 51st Century. Did I miss it?
Still, there must be pretty awesome in their own right in the 51st century, at least 12 cyber-legions! Plus all the free time is spent spying on everyone else. 
