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5x06 The Vampires of Venice (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!

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Did you watch Doctor Who Confidential where the writer, Toby Whithouse, and Matt Smith actually went to Venice to meet Francesco Da Mosta? That was even better than the episode.

No, I didn't. I always forget about Confidential. I'm about to check it out on iPlayer. Thank you for the heads-up. :)

eta: It's not on iPlayer. :(
 
It would make sense, I mean, everyone DID disappear at the end.....

Which in turn means that the TARDIS (or it's shields) was protecting the Doctor and Rory from getting sucked into the crack.

Unless The TARDIS or Doctor is creating them, seems weird how they pop up wherever the Doctor is.

The crack was in Amy's wall before the Doctor showed up. is it following the Doctor or Amy?
 
The character bits between the Doctor, Rory, and Amy really carried this episode. An enjoyable romp but the story itself doesn't hold much water.
 
:shrugs:

Some stories work within the 45 min format, some don't work as well.

Basically, as it is now, your story either goes for 45 min, or if deemed necessary then 2x45 min.

For some stories 45 minutes is an eternity, for others it is really pushing it.

To me, this story felt like it's final act was all crammed into a very tight space time-wise. 45 min just felt too short - I think it would have been better at about 75 min (3x25 min in the old format).

I agree, once they'd got the intro out of the way it did settle down some, but at first it all did seem very rushed. It is the major downside to the new series that they don't get the scene setting they'd once have gotten (and conversly they don't have to pad as much) but this one did have a classic feel to it and I wonder how it might have run at 3 or even 4 25 minute episodes.

And I'm not sure I udnerstand Sci. Is that an hour including 15 minutes of commerical, or an hour? Here in the UK we have a variety of times on shows; both on commerical laden channels and the BBC.
 
I must admit that if this is a crack reference then it is the most sublte one that we have had considering the smash over the head with a mallet references in VOTD and TBB.

I suspect that they probably didn't do a crack in this episode precisely *because* nature had provided one. It's natural, not CG, has a curl at the bottom that *the* crack doesn't, but is similar enough to count...
 
This one was down with the weaker of the season for me. The lore was inconsistent (Reflecting a bit of sunlight light killed him instantly? What about all the other times they were in the sunlight and didn't even flinch? The illusory clothing that apparently could be taken off and/or protect them from the sun) and highlighted how lame the plot was. Why did they need to sink a city? If there are a bunch of able-bodied young men aliens out there can't they build one better suited to them? Could they use sheep or dogs or chickens or fish for making the new women? If they can transform humans into aliens, why not? And why would she decide at the end to give up just because she was set back a bit in her plans (which apparently only got as far as converting that dozen or so girls.) Are they a fully intelligent species or is it just the queen and a minority of her offspring? Other than the superdouchey son they were all mindless enough to just eat her. -Bah- Surely rather than dramatic suicide or the like, one day a villain who sees the err of their ways could say "Hey Doctor, do you think you could help us out a bit here with that big ol' fancy brain of yours that always seems to have a solution?"

I hate being able to pick apart a plot so easily. It makes it very hard to enjoy, even though the cast, photography and much of the dialogue was great. I just hope we get fewer of these 'turn off your brain' episodes (like "Beast" and "Victory") as we go on, otherwise I'm afraid my interest will very quickly fade.
 
One thing I've noticed this season is how many aliens know about the Doctor, Timelords and Gallifrey. In past seasons the Timelords were all but myth. But now it seems aliens like Prisoner Zero, even these Fish Aliens, know about Tiemlords. The Fish Aliens knew even so much as that the race was wiped out, burned to ash, or whatever, obviously aware of the Time War. It is a bit of a change.
These species are high tech, high-evolved.
 
One thing I've noticed this season is how many aliens know about the Doctor, Timelords and Gallifrey. In past seasons the Timelords were all but myth. But now it seems aliens like Prisoner Zero, even these Fish Aliens, know about Tiemlords. The Fish Aliens knew even so much as that the race was wiped out, burned to ash, or whatever, obviously aware of the Time War. It is a bit of a change.
These species are high tech, high-evolved.

The Sontarans were fully aware of the Time War in The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky. God knows how. See my rant on the sheer ludicrousness of Gallifrey's destruction and its effect on the rest of the universe.

And one thing that bugs me a little about the episode is why they couldn't have the monsters just be normal vampires, instead of all that stupid space fish nonsense. More traditional vampires have turned up before (State of Decay).
 
Why LOL? Looks pretty cracklike to me:

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It's just clouds. If it appeared in a cloudless sky, I'd agree, but it's just the edge of a cloud.

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I think anyone seeing a crack there must be on crack.
 
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And I'm not sure I udnerstand Sci. Is that an hour including 15 minutes of commerical, or an hour? Here in the UK we have a variety of times on shows; both on commerical laden channels and the BBC.

In general, the term "hour-long drama" refers to a dramatic television series whose episodes when aired with commercials lasts for about one hour.

In the past, the typical hour-long drama was actually about 52 minutes long without commercials. In the past five to ten years, they've been reduced from 52 to 45 minutes because of the "need" to add more commercials to every hour-long slot.

So, while I tend to agree that hour-long dramas should go back to being, y'know, something closer to an actual hour long (52 minutes), I also think that the idea of wanting a given episode to be longer than an hour seems kind of silly. It's the standard television format for a dramatic program.
 
^You do have to remember that this is a British show and that affects the length for two key reasons.

First, BBC shows do not have advertising so little consideration is made for that. Watching TNG, for example, you can always tell where the adverts were supposed to have gone. BBC shows don't have to adjust their storytelling to accommodate ad breaks.

Second, British TV channels don't always stick to a rigid schedule with shows starting at the top of each hour, especially the BBC. If Doctor Who's producers made a good case for an episode being ten or fifteen minutes longer than normal and still stuck to their budget then the schedule can shift accordingly. The next show doesn't have to start at 7pm on the dot to avoid confusing the audience.
 
First, BBC shows do not have advertising so little consideration is made for that. Watching TNG, for example, you can always tell where the adverts were supposed to have gone. BBC shows don't have to adjust their storytelling to accommodate ad breaks.

I usually watch the episodes as they air from the BBC feeds using the TARDIS method of acquiring shows or repeats (for me) on the ABC in Australia which is also commercial free. However when watching reruns of NuWho on cable (UKTV channel) which has commercials they always seem to break at the weirdest moments and it sometimes disrupts the flow of the show. Is it shown with or without commercials in the US?
 
First DW episode I actually fell asleep during.

Boring and dull.

They'd better do something fast because, even though the season started very well, it has been very uneven since. The stupid queen one and the daleks in WW2 eps were VERY average and then the Moff pretty much fucked up the best villains since the Shadows.

Falling asleep during an episode is NOT a cause to recommend it.
 
^You do have to remember that this is a British show and that affects the length for two key reasons.

First, BBC shows do not have advertising so little consideration is made for that. Watching TNG, for example, you can always tell where the adverts were supposed to have gone. BBC shows don't have to adjust their storytelling to accommodate ad breaks.

Second, British TV channels don't always stick to a rigid schedule with shows starting at the top of each hour, especially the BBC. If Doctor Who's producers made a good case for an episode being ten or fifteen minutes longer than normal and still stuck to their budget then the schedule can shift accordingly. The next show doesn't have to start at 7pm on the dot to avoid confusing the audience.

I'm aware of all that, but it's always been my understanding that even most BBC drama programs tend to fall into something close to the one-hour drama format that's the television standards in the U.S. And even then, the idea of a single, normal episode -- not a two-parter, and not a special, and not a made-for-TV movie -- taking up an hour and a fifteen minutes just seems absurd to me.

First, BBC shows do not have advertising so little consideration is made for that. Watching TNG, for example, you can always tell where the adverts were supposed to have gone. BBC shows don't have to adjust their storytelling to accommodate ad breaks.

I usually watch the episodes as they air from the BBC feeds using the TARDIS method of acquiring shows or repeats (for me) on the ABC in Australia which is also commercial free. However when watching reruns of NuWho on cable (UKTV channel) which has commercials they always seem to break at the weirdest moments and it sometimes disrupts the flow of the show. Is it shown with or without commercials in the US?

Everything in the U.S. is shown with commercials, unless it's airing on a premium cable channel that one pays extra to one's cable company to receive. Otherwise, all television programs are structured into acts (like mini-plays), with each act break designed to accommodate commercials.
 
One thing I've noticed this season is how many aliens know about the Doctor, Timelords and Gallifrey. In past seasons the Timelords were all but myth. But now it seems aliens like Prisoner Zero, even these Fish Aliens, know about Tiemlords. The Fish Aliens knew even so much as that the race was wiped out, burned to ash, or whatever, obviously aware of the Time War. It is a bit of a change.
These species are high tech, high-evolved.

The Sontarans were fully aware of the Time War in The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky. God knows how.

They knew all about Gallifrey in the original series - to the extent of actually invading the place in the season 15 finale.
 
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