I guess you could call it po-faced science-fiction, but "hard sci-fi" is really stretching it.
5x03 Victory of the Daleks (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!
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Just a lot less impressed than you evidently are.
Something like.
Most of what's casually called "hard science fiction," even in prose, is that only by the most generous stretching of the term. To even approach any real scientific plausibility would make DW impossible to do in premise and detail. Attacking the material with self-conscious solemnity as Bidmead did certainly doesn't qualify. That's just boring.
Ah, that guy who came after Douglas Adams. Poor bastard.
dunno if anyone's mentioned this (skipped a few pages), but did anyone else think the Dalek saucer's exit was a tad Star Wars?
I think we got bored of pointing out Star Wars refrences, there seems to be alot.
I think in the end this was a marmite ep. on one hand it was alot of fun and had some nice visual effects, but on the other hand Churchill was treated as a fantasy character instead of a real historical person, the Daleks became the newest version of Teletubbies and they were pretty useless against the Doctor. And the Dalek robot was a pretty stupid idea in my mind, it would make sense for the Daleks to use such robots to become more humanoid, which would serve the show's lowered budget. In the end though despite some funny scenes this was the worst Dalek story of the new series, it was a massive reboot for the Daleks and now IMO they look even more ungainly than before.
Hey, even The Master was in awe of the Teletubbies.
"Televisions...in their stomachs!"
awesome! 
That's absolutely fantastic.
Watched "Victory of the Daleks" again last night. It holds together much better on second viewing than it did the first time -- in particular, the bits from first viewing where it felt like the Daleks spent ages just telling the Doctor about their insidious plans felt like it went a lot faster. And the emotional climax of the episode -- the professor remembering, and being slightly embarrassed by, his crush on a girl -- worked better for me the second time around.
Neither one has any logic whatsoever. Again, there is no reason on Earth for the nanogenes to encounter Human after Human after Human after Human and think they all are supposed to look like a disfigured little boy, and then suddenly encounter the boy's mum and realize where the basic "Human" template is. It's pure "The power of love conquers all," and it makes no more sense than Bracewell's remembering his lost crush being the thing that overcomes Dalek control.
Neither one has any logic whatsoever. Again, there is no reason on Earth for the nanogenes to encounter Human after Human after Human after Human and think they all are supposed to look like a disfigured little boy, and then suddenly encounter the boy's mum and realize where the basic "Human" template is. It's pure "The power of love conquers all," and it makes no more sense than Bracewell's remembering his lost crush being the thing that overcomes Dalek control.
everything about the bomb robot was stupid, but I figured with the Daleks in a new time, he was pretty safe.
begs the question why the Doctor has such a wide range of womens clothing.
He said in the first episode that there were plenty of clothes in the wardrobe (and possibly a swimming pool).
Seriously -- is it *REALLY NECESSARY* for every hour, minute, and second of a character's life/actions to be chronicled? Can't you just accept that fact that somewhere, sometime between the last adventure (that the audience viewed) and the current adventure (that the audience is viewing) that the characters changed clothes, ate, and/or slept? Look at Blink. Martha and the Doctor were on an adventure that we never saw before he first met Sally Sparrow.
Not to mention the fact the series has had decades of multiple female companions. In fact the season trailer shows Amy wearing an outfit not that far removed from something Romana probably wore. Hell, this is a new TARDIS -- he might even have a TNG-style replicator on board.
Anyway, episode just aired here in Canada. A bit of a lesser episode compared to the first two, but still fun. The color-coded Daleks make more sense when you realize they're primary colors, aka pure colors, aka purebreds. Made sense to me.
Some interesting questions raised about Amy in this one -- why she didn't know the Daleks, for example.
Winston was cool. I liked Winston. If they want to be really different they should have him as a companion somewhere down the line!
The fake-out with the cookie was my favorite bit -- pure Tom Baker-era silliness!
And did anyone else catch a bit of Donna Noble when Amy went to question the Dalek? It really stood out for me.
I don't get the hatred for this episode in some quarters. I thought it was a "fun romp" and I get the feeling sometimes that some viewers take their TV a little too seriously.
Frankly, if you can accept the notion of a guy travelling through time, you can accept the notion of primary color Daleks and Spitfires in space...
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Just saw it, and I have to agree with Venardhi - the "power of love" thing was cheesier here than in "The Doctor Dances;" they didn't even attempt the veneer of an explanation. Still, I enjoyed it. I think it helps that my expectations were so low, due to all the hate this one has received on the web.
I did like the fact the Daleks got away, I too was getting really sick of RTD's "this is the final end of the Daleks!" crap. Also thought it was a nice touch these were leftover S1 "false" Daleks with human DNA, and not part of Davros' lot.
I did like the fact the Daleks got away, I too was getting really sick of RTD's "this is the final end of the Daleks!" crap. Also thought it was a nice touch these were leftover S1 "false" Daleks with human DNA, and not part of Davros' lot.
Boy the "The Daleks were destroyed forever... except for THIS one!" schitck is really getting old. Still, I appreciate how this episode felt like a two parter crammed into a single episode, not wasting any time. Plus, WWII and Churchill. I laughed my ass off at the rainbow coalition of Daleks. How come nobody commented on Amy's super short skirt?
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