Spoilers 31st/32nd Century Ships Revealed

[Timo]

There's a round-shaped piece of wreckage on the surface of Theta Zeta (see here for instance), is that part of the Khi'eth or is it meant to represent something else, the Hiraga Gennai perhaps?

Good question. The landscape was sorta tortured, and might have featured a suspiciously smooth ring or two, out of natural reasons. Or then because of the nature of the Crash, or the Burn. But it could also be what became of the cavalry.

This would be an odd coincidence, though. Why would help arrive at the very minute Su'kal's mother dies and Su'kal cries?

Or would the Gennai arrive later, and be lost at the very doorstep because of the hostile nature of the nebula, unnoticed by the Khi'eth computer which at that time wouldn't yet be completely fritzed out?

I think it's a fair assumption that the various ships within Starfleet Headquarters are well over a century old. In a very real sense the 900 year old Discovery is the newest of the bunch - in physical terms she's only a few years old.

Or then a few decades. The expert opinion of that one convict, based on polished floors, might not amount to much: the hero ship is one of the very few in the S1 menagerie to sport nonstandard nacelles, the other two being the Enterprise (which might be a real relic, with ENT influences to the engine design, and with a sister ship sporting one of the lowest registries for a big starship at NCC-1017) and the Shenzhou (an established geriatric).

Timo Saloniemi

 

[137th Gebirg]

There's a round-shaped piece of wreckage on the surface of Theta Zeta (see here for instance), is that part of the Khi'eth or is it meant to represent something else, the Hiraga Gennai perhaps?

Weird. Didn’t notice that initially. It does have a passing resemblance to one of those new Saturn class ring ships. Good catch!

 

[Dukhat]

Weird. Didn’t notice that initially. It does have a passing resemblance to one of those new Saturn class ring ships. Good catch!

I hope that when Eaglemoss eventually shows the renders for the new ships, they also show the renders for all those wrecked ships so we can identify them too.

 

[Markonian]

I’m guessing that since the ‘New’ Reliant is NCC-1864-M, that the new Enterprise would also be NCC-1701-M.

That would be really cool to see the Enterprise nil in SNW, the Enterprise-F in PIC season 2, and the Enterprise-M in DSC season 4. But that’s probably asking way too much...

Agreed, though I'd rather have the Enterprise-E for PIC 2 because STO establishes the F is launched in 2409.

Based on the dialogue, it sounded like Voyager was the head of the fleet.

Excatly. Presumably, the Enterprise-(...) was destroyed in the Burn, leaving Voyager-J as the flagship. Until the next Enterprise is ready to launch.

There's a round-shaped piece of wreckage on the surface of Theta Zeta (see here for instance), is that part of the Khi'eth or is it meant to represent something else, the Hiraga Gennai perhaps?

I noticed that as well and was confused because it's unclear what it's meant to represent. Your idea that this is a piece of the Hiraga Gennai is great! Perhaps the wreck crashed sometime after Doctor Issa's death, explaining why she only speculated on HG's destruction in 3064.

 

[saddestmoon]

Question: does the UEDF starship we see around Earth, earlier in the season have a name/class identified (other than Defence Force Ship)?

As see here:

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Defense_Force_ship

This is prolly one of my favourite of the new 30th century starship designs, and one I hope Eaglemoss produce for the new season.

 

[Markonian]

No official or unofficial name yet.

 

[Dukhat]

Agreed, though I'd rather have the Enterprise-E for PIC 2 because STO establishes the F is launched in 2409.

I personally hope they don’t feel beholden to STO and just come up with a new original design for the F. Usually STO changes to fit the TV/Movie canon, not the other way around.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Your idea that this is a piece of the Hiraga Gennai is great! Perhaps the wreck crashed sometime after Doctor Issa's death, explaining why she only speculated on HG's destruction in 3064.

IIRC, the Hiraga Gennai was destroyed in the nebula. It didn't make it to the planet.

 

[Tuskin38]

I personally hope they don’t feel beholden to STO and just come up with a new original design for the F. Usually STO changes to fit the TV/Movie canon, not the other way around.

I mean, we got the Luna in Lower Decks, so I think they're open to using non-canon designs.

 

[Dukhat]

I mean, we got the Luna in Lower Decks, so I think they're open to using non-canon designs.

They did that as a tribute to Sean Torangeau. There’s no such need for the Ent-F. I hope they either never show it or come up with a new design.

 

[Tuskin38]

They did that as a tribute to Sean Torangeau. There’s no such need for the Ent-F. I hope they either never show it or come up with a new design.

I don't think they've explicitly said why they did it.

Most likely it's because they already owned a design associated with it and it was just easier to use that then make a new ones.

 

[Dukhat]

I don't think they've explicitly said why they did it.

Most likely it's because they already owned a design associated with it and it was just easier to use that then make a new ones.

Didn’t someone involved in LDS’s production tweet Torangeau to tell him they used it as a tribute to him?

And it’s a cartoon. They already showed several new ship designs. I’m not sure how hard it would have been to design another one. It’s not like they had to physically build it or make a CGI model. They just had to draw something.

 

[Tuskin38]

The show uses CG for ships for the action shots.

 

[Angry Fanboy]

The show uses CG for ships for the action shots.

WHAT!?!?!?

 

[Markonian]

I personally hope they don’t feel beholden to STO and just come up with a new original design for the F. Usually STO changes to fit the TV/Movie canon, not the other way around.

The Odyssey-class design (like the Enterprise-F) was used in a PIC comic: https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Verity

FWIW, community rep AmbassadorKael said at the DST Birmingham convention in 2019 that if the new canon diverted too much from the game story that it cannot adapt, STO spins off into an alternate timeline.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Huh... I wonder if that means we’ll never see any of these new ships in a future release of STO. I was kind of looking forward to that.

 

[Markonian]

Huh... I wonder if that means we’ll never see any of these new ships in a future release of STO. I was kind of looking forward to that.

Don't worry, they'll definitely be included. Different timeline, same continuity. That's how we got the Kelvin stuff, which is otherwise an unreachable timeline we only visit once.

 

[Dukhat]

The Odyssey-class design (like the Enterprise-F) was used in a PIC comic: https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Verity

FWIW, community rep AmbassadorKael sayd at the DST Birmingham convention in 2019 that if the new canon diverted too much from the game story that it cannot adapt, STO spins off into an alternate timeline.

Ah, so basically what happened to the novelverse could happen to STO. All the more reason to make a new design for the F

 

[Tuskin38]

STO has been adapting some stuff from Picard in STO, Seven's look in one mission is based off how she looked in Picard, and she even mentions the Fenris rangers off hand. (this mission actually came out before her appearance in Picard, so the STO writers knew of the Fenris rangers before we did).

They were planning on altering her dialogue in older missions to match her personality (and presumably some of her history) in Picard, but that seems to have been pushed aside for now.

The Synth attack on Mars has also been retconned into the past of the STO timeline.

That doesn't negate what the CM said, it just means they won't be ignoring everything, probably just stuff that greatly impacts the game's story.

Huh... I wonder if that means we’ll never see any of these new ships in a future release of STO. I was kind of looking forward to that.

Nah we'll still get them. We got Kelvin Timeline and Mirror Universe stuff, so I don't see why not.

 

[darrenjl]

The creators must have taken inspiration from the architect Zaha Hadid in designing the Federations ships.