Spoilers 31st/32nd Century Ships Revealed
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Wow - detached nacelles!
Funnily enough, the first thing I noticed with the Voyager J pic, was how flat the secondary hull top is...
Funnily enough, the first thing I noticed with the Voyager J pic, was how flat the secondary hull top is...
Int’s interesting that the crew speculates about the range of the “assumed” scout ship, when the range is pretty much nothing without a filled tank.
It goes even deeper than that. I can appreciate that the heroes are the ultimate starship geeks by profession. Deciding that this particular ship is a scout should still be utterly beyond their means. Why wouldn't it be a tug instead, or a hospital ship, or a destroyer? You really can't tell from looks in any era, not even in the one the heroes are native to.
The other points of interest are all valid, though: neutronium structures, holographic walls and flying rain forests should pique the interest of the heroes, and should be easily observable.
Timo Saloniemi
The other points of interest are all valid, though: neutronium structures, holographic walls and flying rain forests should pique the interest of the heroes, and should be easily observable.
Timo Saloniemi
FFS, They're just speculating. Of course they don't know. Maybe it looks reminiscent of a scout from the 2250's.
They were speculating at best.
They really don't know (and neither do we).
The crew is drawing from what they know and trying to give some kind of context to brand new and completely unknown starships they are seeing.
That's just it, though: most of the speculation is fine and well, but the scout thing...
...What would be sufficiently absurd an analogy? Two guys seeing a third cross a street and making the effort of speculating whether the house of this total stranger is painted blue or green? Not sufficiently absurd, because we know people, and we may (think we) observe cues that tell us what kind of colors a man of certain looks and posture might prefer. Our heroes don't know anything comparable about the 32nd century. And the ship is just a generic arrowhead like at least two others in that collection.
Okay, let's try another one. A colorful circus parades through the town, and surprised people gasp: "Look, a lion!" "That man is walking on glass stilts!" ... and then "Oh, that clown must be named William. I wonder how much money he has in his pocket."
Timo Saloniemi
...What would be sufficiently absurd an analogy? Two guys seeing a third cross a street and making the effort of speculating whether the house of this total stranger is painted blue or green? Not sufficiently absurd, because we know people, and we may (think we) observe cues that tell us what kind of colors a man of certain looks and posture might prefer. Our heroes don't know anything comparable about the 32nd century. And the ship is just a generic arrowhead like at least two others in that collection.
Okay, let's try another one. A colorful circus parades through the town, and surprised people gasp: "Look, a lion!" "That man is walking on glass stilts!" ... and then "Oh, that clown must be named William. I wonder how much money he has in his pocket."
Timo Saloniemi
Sounds like people.
I admittedly did find the exchange between Det and Owo regarding the nacelles, "they have no pylons" and "I wonder where they keep the warp core" a little odd. A statement like, "how do they distribute the intermix energy?" probably would have been a bit more contextually relevant. Instead it came out sounding like a non-sequitur bit of dialog, done up by someone on the Disco writing staff who didn't know the basic rules of established warp drive architecture.
As for the Scout bit, we never got a good idea of how big or small it was compared to all the others in dock. It's entirely possible it was just the smallest and, as such, a scout, based on their a priori 23rd century knowledge of "small = scout". Near-identical observations were made by Chekov and Sulu in TSFS regarding the Grissom and BOP, respectively.
So yeah, not a big deal.
As for the Scout bit, we never got a good idea of how big or small it was compared to all the others in dock. It's entirely possible it was just the smallest and, as such, a scout, based on their a priori 23rd century knowledge of "small = scout". Near-identical observations were made by Chekov and Sulu in TSFS regarding the Grissom and BOP, respectively.
So yeah, not a big deal.
That ship Owo calls a new constitution, The registry when enhanced *almost* looks like NCC-1864-M (or maybe 1884-M or even 1664-M, it's hard to tell the difference between the two centre numbers)
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1329154415899643906
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1329154415899643906
I love how people who are tried, traumatized and stressed are expect to be completely precise in their language when trying to comprehend starships they are completely unfamiliar with.
It looks like 1864-M to me too. Unless there was a disconnect between the script and the visuals (which there could very well be), I wonder why Owo didn’t say “Is that a new Reliant?”
I’m calling it here first: We’re going to see the Enterprise-M by the final episode of season 3.
I never understand why people never understand why we can't talk about starships in a starship thread.
Do you really believe they put that much thought into the dialog that they're making nonsensical observations because of PTSD and other stress-related stimuli? If so, then you're likely incorrect on that assertion.
I thought we were talking about characters and their interpretations of ships based upon familiar reference points?
I'll go back to citing that they are completely wrong in their use of descriptions for new starships. Carry on.
Because there may not have been a Reliant yet when Owo and Discovery left the 23rd Century?
Well, we do know that the NCC-1864 was at least in service during TOS, as it appeared on the wall chart in “Court Martial” as one of the ships undergoing maintenance. So it’s not a stretch to say that it was already in service 8 years earlier.
But Discovery takes place 10 years before Kirk assumes command. We don't know if Reliant was commissioned after Discovery left or not.
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