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Spoilers 31st/32nd Century Ships Revealed

"World Razer"? :lol: They're laying it on a little thick there... I do hope that Eaglemoss makes a model of it.

Haven't seen the ep yet. Will look for the others.
Sorry, I posted in the wrong thread.
In the review, somebody pointed out the relationship between World Razer and Star Gazer.
I hope we get enough material on that ship for Eaglemoss to make a model of it.
Otherwise, I'm sure we'll see it in STO eventually, where it can be GamePrinted from.
 
I've been flying the Eisenberg class for a time and, while it is quite maneuverable, I noticed a higher incidence of defeat/respawn with that one in the space-based TFO's. Recently went back to my Vengeance Dreadnaught USS Thor, which is built like a brick shithouse! The "World Razer" (interesting about the name similarity with Stargazer - never occurred to me) looks like it might be a worthy ship to upgrade to, even if it is a bit on the small side. Probably going to go with USS Azzkicker with that one. Hopefully it will live up to its name. :D
 
"World Razer"? :lol: They're laying it on a little thick there... I do hope that Eaglemoss makes a model of it.

When you think about it, even Starfleet ships are world razers. They have weapons capable of mass destruction that can kill a planet even with a single torpedo if they wish... the thing is that SF is not a military organisation, and generally does NOT initiate conflicts and avoids them (along with war) as much as possible.

Of course, the Confederation is a polar opposite of UFP so it will use those weapons to kill.

What I'm wondering though is how can the Confederation have similar tech to UFP in the 24th century?
UFP is based on cooperation, where alien species contribute towards scientific and technological development. The Confederacy likely steals other species initial tech and develops it from there, but even so, they would only be working from a 'human perspective', whereas the UFP has over 150 alien species contributing (willingly no less).
The diversity the UFP has would likely produce far more advanced/better tech than what an authoritarian regime like the Confederacy could muster... so I don't think this was particularly taken into account.

Also, how did the Confederacy manage to conquer the Borg?
If a queen was able to defeat 2 Confederacy ships using two modified torpedoes from the La Sirena (as we saw in the trailer for the upcoming episode), it would stand to reason, these ships would be no match against actual Borg ships.

Then again, its possible the Confederacy was less reserved in implementing very destructive weapons that UFP either chose not to use or banned due to their environmental hazzards.
 
Slave races were forced to develop non human tech?

Not really an effective method.
You can't really force innovation in such a manner... the brutal conditions the slave races would have to endure would do nothing to spur creativity and innovation.
You'll be in constant fear of execution... and therefore unable to think properly (aka focus). That said, would the Confederacy even allow alien species to develop technology?
 
That said, would the Confederacy even allow alien species to develop technology?
Of course they would and then acquire it for their own means.

Recall that Star Trek repeatedly shows authoritarian regimes at the same level as the Federation. Not just the Terran Empire, but also the Dominion, Klingons and Romulans.
 
When you think about it, even Starfleet ships are world razers. They have weapons capable of mass destruction that can kill a planet even with a single torpedo if they wish... the thing is that SF is not a military organisation, and generally does NOT initiate conflicts and avoids them (along with war) as much as possible.

Of course, the Confederation is a polar opposite of UFP so it will use those weapons to kill.

What I'm wondering though is how can the Confederation have similar tech to UFP in the 24th century?
UFP is based on cooperation, where alien species contribute towards scientific and technological development. The Confederacy likely steals other species initial tech and develops it from there, but even so, they would only be working from a 'human perspective', whereas the UFP has over 150 alien species contributing (willingly no less).
The diversity the UFP has would likely produce far more advanced/better tech than what an authoritarian regime like the Confederacy could muster... so I don't think this was particularly taken into account.

Also, how did the Confederacy manage to conquer the Borg?
If a queen was able to defeat 2 Confederacy ships using two modified torpedoes from the La Sirena (as we saw in the trailer for the upcoming episode), it would stand to reason, these ships would be no match against actual Borg ships.

Then again, its possible the Confederacy was less reserved in implementing very destructive weapons that UFP either chose not to use or banned due to their environmental hazzards.
All you have to do is look at IRL human history.

During WW2, Nazi Germany was ahead of the allies in many fields of Technology across the board.

It took the collective might of the world to stop them.

The truly Smart People who develop the technology in each field are few & far between.

That's why Operation Paper Clip was so important in taking the highly smart scientists & engineers and bring them to each Allied Powers respective countries to use their minds to advance said technology for their own country.

Real Life doesn't work like you want it to because you have countless computer servers with AI algorithms processing things.

AI simulations help, but they aren't a absolute gurantee of progress.

At the end of the day, truly trained smart people are the ones behind progress.

They're the ones who design the AI simulations, they're the ones who set the parameters, they're the ones who diffuse the fact from fiction. They're the ones who do the analysis, they're the ones who perform the IRL testing once you get to a probable result of what will work, and what won't.

Simulations can only get you so far, at the end of the day, you need to refine, test, and adjust every time you come to IRL testing and gather data. Keep rinsing & repeating said cycle until you get to the criteria you want or venture off onto a new tangent because of your new discovery.

Your dogged belief that more alien races banning together with more computing power will magically solve everything in exponential fashion is not very believable IMO.

You only have to look at real life and to see real progress.

Scientific Geniuses & Truly amazing talented Engineers don't grow on trees.
 
Of course they would and then acquire it for their own means.

Recall that Star Trek repeatedly shows authoritarian regimes at the same level as the Federation. Not just the Terran Empire, but also the Dominion, Klingons and Romulans.

Which to be fair seems a bit silly.
The Dominion doesn't shun alien species completely. Sure, they rule by fear, but on the whole, the Dominion didn't exterminate its 'subjects'... they just... intimidate them, but are otherwise relatively free to live their own lives (so long as they don't cross the Founders).

As for the Klingons and Romulans... we have learned in TNG the UFP does share scientific findings with everyone. Being already advanced... the Klingons and the Romulans probably used that to their own advantage and more or less 'keep up' as stragglers of sorts.. but still should have probably ended up overshadowed by UFP in science and technology by the 23rd century.
 
Which to be fair seems a bit silly.
The Dominion doesn't shun alien species completely. Sure, they rule by fear, but on the whole, the Dominion didn't exterminate its 'subjects'.
As for the Klingons and Romulans... we have learned in TNG the UFP does share scientific findings with everyone. Being already advanced... the Klingons and the Romulans probably used that to their own advantage and more or less 'keep up' as stragglers of sorts.. but still should have probably ended up overshadowed by UFP in science and technology by the 23rd century.
Not really. Bear in mind that people working for the greater good of the state can amass significant power. Fear is still very much a motivator, but so can reward. As well as the fact that loyalty to the state and contributing to that greater good through your work can also allow for incredible advancements. Human history demonstrates that.

Even if you find the idea silly this is Star Trek and Star Trek has demonstrated that the Klingons and Romulans were able to match the UFP, even prior to them sharing research. Recall that Kirk and Spock had to engage in espionage in order to get the secrets of the cloak.
 
When you think about it, even Starfleet ships are world razers. They have weapons capable of mass destruction that can kill a planet even with a single torpedo if they wish... the thing is that SF is not a military organisation, and generally does NOT initiate conflicts and avoids them (along with war) as much as possible.

Of course, the Confederation is a polar opposite of UFP so it will use those weapons to kill.

What I'm wondering though is how can the Confederation have similar tech to UFP in the 24th century?
UFP is based on cooperation, where alien species contribute towards scientific and technological development. The Confederacy likely steals other species initial tech and develops it from there, but even so, they would only be working from a 'human perspective', whereas the UFP has over 150 alien species contributing (willingly no less).
The diversity the UFP has would likely produce far more advanced/better tech than what an authoritarian regime like the Confederacy could muster... so I don't think this was particularly taken into account.

Also, how did the Confederacy manage to conquer the Borg?
If a queen was able to defeat 2 Confederacy ships using two modified torpedoes from the La Sirena (as we saw in the trailer for the upcoming episode), it would stand to reason, these ships would be no match against actual Borg ships.

Then again, its possible the Confederacy was less reserved in implementing very destructive weapons that UFP either chose not to use or banned due to their environmental hazzards.

Just one sentence: Earth is ruled by Augments ;)
 
Fanmade

I thought it would be obvious, but maybe I should have labelled it

I remember when Voyager was first on air and I was in high school at the time. I had afternoon/evening classes and missed VOY episode 'Scorpion' (though my sister recorded it for me on the VCR).
Anyway, my cousin mentioned to me that when he saw it, VOY was hit by the 8472 beam and the ship went to warp sideways.
That fan animation actually reminded me of how I envisioned VOY escaping into Warp... and I was a bit disappointed when I saw VOY was basically forced to spin out of control but still went to Warp as it usually did and not sideways like that fan animation suggests (which to be fair, doesn't make sense - the nacelles pointing in a different direction don't have anything to do with the ship entering Warp at that angle... they simply generate the Warp field which is necessary for the ship to enter warp - and because the ship's deflector dish is situated at the front of the ship, then that's the most logical angle for a ship to enter warp - though TOS suggested the Enterprise could Warp in reverse... and since UFP ships are using FIELD MANIPULATION for achieving both Impulse and Warp, movement in any direction should be doable (but the nacelles themselves wouldn't have to rotate).
 
I remember when Voyager was first on air and I was in high school at the time. I had afternoon/evening classes and missed VOY episode 'Scorpion' (though my sister recorded it for me on the VCR).
Anyway, my cousin mentioned to me that when he saw it, VOY was hit by the 8472 beam and the ship went to warp sideways.
That fan animation actually reminded me of how I envisioned VOY escaping into Warp... and I was a bit disappointed when I saw VOY was basically forced to spin out of control but still went to Warp as it usually did and not sideways like that fan animation suggests (which to be fair, doesn't make sense - the nacelles pointing in a different direction don't have anything to do with the ship entering Warp at that angle... they simply generate the Warp field which is necessary for the ship to enter warp - and because the ship's deflector dish is situated at the front of the ship, then that's the most logical angle for a ship to enter warp - though TOS suggested the Enterprise could Warp in reverse... and since UFP ships are using FIELD MANIPULATION for achieving both Impulse and Warp, movement in any direction should be doable (but the nacelles themselves wouldn't have to rotate).
I doubt Warping in Reverse is nearly as efficient as Warping forewards, especially if you don't have dedicated Navigational Deflector Dishes mounted for your vessel to go in that direction. There are probably "Speed Limits" for Warping Backwards due to non-existent Navigational Dish emitting a Deflector field for Warp Travel, so relying on Shields is probably "Sub-Optimal".

I'd see it akin to going reverse in an automobile, you would be incredibly speed & acceleration limited going in reverse.
 
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