Spoilers 31st/32nd Century Ships Revealed

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  1. Timo

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    I'm not sure why stuff that rearranges it into a couple of observable gadgets should be likened to replicators. I can't make edible sandwiches out of Lego bricks, even though Lego is great for building an automated sandwich-making machine that just requires bread and butter and ham and cheese as input. And programmable matter looks pretty much like a big helping of small Lego bricks. Not necessarily atomic or subatomic, though (dialogue makes mention of molecules).

    None of the heroes treat programmable matter as equal or superior to replicators specifically - probably because they never saw a replicator in their lives. But the audience can tell the matter can produce clumsy 2250s transtators when in expert hands, which does not yet a replicator make...

    Programmable matter isn't particularly interesting, though, because we already know of replicators, and there is no indication that replicators would not be available in the 32nd century, or be unable to make X, for any value of X. It's just that there are always excuses, so that making Y is not possible in the current dramatic situation. And it's implicit that replicating dilithium is one of those things that doesn't pay off, not in the 24th century and presumably not in the 32nd, either.

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  2. LazyReader

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    All in all you're looking at a multitude of propulsion technologies that "Work" but are risky at best, dangerous at worst, beyond their technology, inapplicable due to resources. What do we have.....
    1. Quantum Slipstream: Exotic, workable, seen in Voyager: Hope and Fear, In fairness Arturis built the "Dauntless" as a trap. As to whether slipstream worked well in long haul is never stated. It destroyed Voyager in an alternate timeline; technology was so prone to failure the "Think Tank" saw it as potential but still inapplicable.
    2. Soliton Wave: Actually worked, but exiting FTL zone and shutting off the wave proved catastrophically dangerous. However the technology is equivalent to a cable car with point A and B needed to activate and dissipate the wave, the ship has No control over travelling.
    3. Graviton Catapult: Works: Revere engineered from particle/field displacement tech of the caretaker.
    4. Tachyon based propulsion: One that has not been reevaluated. Bajoran lightsail ships for example. Possible if Starfleet built a network of beam based propulsion networks at orbiting starbases and stations.
    5. Co-axial warp: Not stated if Co-axial design uses dilithium, but dangerous setup to utilize. Functioned by drawing in subatomic particles and reconfiguring their internal geometries. This allowed a ship the capability to fold the fabric of space, allowing it to travel.
     
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  4. Ronald Held

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    Still unconvinced programmable matter has replicator abilities. Perhaps it depends on how diverse the composition is?
     
  5. fireproof78

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    I mean, there are still laws around mass/energy production. Resources are not infinite, so even programable matter, for all its' benefits, could not be perfect at every aspect. It goes back to a similar limitation of the replicator-some things, for technical reasons known only in universe, cannot be replicated, such latinum, or dilithium. Or, if they can, are not quite as good as the natural article. So, rather than assuming that programable matter/replicators must be able to create anything it stands to reason that there are limits as presented within the show itself and work within those.
     
  6. Candy Canes of Qo'noS

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    Programmable matter as floating replicators just makes all air and space around you one big replicator and is very extra on the science is magic scale.

    I like the idea that programmable matter are tiny little work bees with tiny arms and they just hold onto each other to make things. [TECHNOLOGY] allows them to be linked together by [SCIENCE] which lets them mimic the physical composition of certain materials. Unless I see programmable matter make an apple, I'd assume that all objects made from programmable matter are composed of....programmable matter blocks itself, and not a replicated object. There would be tons of applications for programmable matter, but not be able to magically create apples from the air by waving your hand. This makes programmable matter more of an open air, 3D printer that only prints out a certain type of material, but that material itself has many applications. I think this is a reasonable limitation.
     
  7. Markonian

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    Thanks for sharing!

    Until further notice my ‘head-canon’ settled on this:
    The Enterprise-P was a Kirk-class ship active until its destruction in the Burn in 3069. Metatextually, it’s P for Picard.
    In the 3190s, we’ll get the Enterprise-Q, a new sporedrive ship. Because Q follows P(icard). :D
     
  8. Vale

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    I think Starfleet will have a tradition of skipping Q suffixes, like we often skip "floor 13" in buildings today.
     
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  9. fireproof78

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    I mean, I would
     
  10. Markonian

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    If there's an iPhone 13, there'll be a ship with Q suffix.
     
  11. Vale

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    iPhone 13s don't put you on trial for the charge of your species being a dangerous savage child-race :nyah:
     
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  12. Rudolph the Redshirt Reindeer

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    Well. at least not yet.
     
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  13. fireproof78

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    Your avatar doesn't inspire confidence.
     
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  14. LazyReader

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    USS Enterprise - R


    We skipped letter Q...........for.......reasons.
    Dedication plaque.
    USS Enterprise
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    "Eat any Good Books lately"
     
  15. 137th Gebirg

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    Damn! With the scale those tiny windows are at, that ship looks like it could be comparable in size to the E-J.
     
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  17. Ar-Pharazon

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    Apple is basically the Devil's handiwork, so they aren't nervous about using 13. Samsung jumped from 10 to 20, possibly just to avoid that conundrum.
     
  18. publiusr

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    That is really nice.
     
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  19. Vale

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    As a Korean company I'd expect Samsung to have more of an issue with the number 4, which they seem quite happy to use.
     
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  20. Ar-Pharazon

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    Well, I had a Galaxy S4 at one time, so......

    It was the last one I rooted without issue ;)