It's seems to me there was a minute or two of "delay" between when the guy said to start the "trial" and when we saw people tuning into it. It was probably less "pre-recorded" and more "tape-delay."
24 - Day 8: 6:00AM - 8:00AM - Discussion and Spoilers
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Wow, I really didn't see this episode coming. First Excellent of the season, which is a huge breath of fresh air after the endless string of below average or poor outings. I checked out for about a month and didn't really miss anything, but it looks like Stuff is Happening now. Finally. Starbuck's motivations and characterization still make absolutely no sense, but I'll take where she is now and let them run with it, because it's at least FUN. Jack had some great action scenes, and I've warmed up to Hastings, too. His scene with Jack where he understood in a low key way why Jack was still on board was great. Nice use of the silent clock, too. I wonder if that'll be our last one, or if there's more to come. I don't know why the writers have had such a hard time being interesting and exciting this year, but they've figured it out. Here's hoping they can ride this momentum out to the series (
) finale.
) finale.
doubleohfive
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I love the two-faced nature of nearly all these responses --- most of you have spent the entire season bitching and whining about Braga and Coto's episodes... guess who wrote part 2? 
That said, I do agree that there was a lot of stuff that went down in these two episodes that could probably have served the story better had they been spread out a bit, but man! What a downer of an ending!
Also, looking forward to seeing Logan again. Maybe someone will even mention what the fuck ever happened to Wayne Palmer.
That said, I do agree that there was a lot of stuff that went down in these two episodes that could probably have served the story better had they been spread out a bit, but man! What a downer of an ending!
Also, looking forward to seeing Logan again. Maybe someone will even mention what the fuck ever happened to Wayne Palmer.
I love the two-faced nature of nearly all these responses --- most of you have spent the entire season bitching and whining about Braga and Coto's episodes... guess who wrote part 2?
WTF are you talking about?
I read the entire 24 comments/grading thread pretty much every single week and I can only recall a handful of instances of people complaining specifically about Braga or Coto. Most of the complaints about the shitty writing haven't focused on WHO wrote it, but rather how piss-poor it's been this year. You can't deny the latter.
It was quite a boring pair of episodes, I even fast forwarded the second one except for the last minute or two, which was kinda shocking as I expected it to be a recording, but rather a ruse and that Samir and Hassan were someplace else.
But it's a nice end, and because of this being the last season, they can kill people off like they want anyway.
Not that they knew that while writing and shooting and editing that episode.
But it's a nice end, and because of this being the last season, they can kill people off like they want anyway.
Not that they knew that while writing and shooting and editing that episode.
Yeah, exactly. The Braga/Coto episodes have been just as dull as all the rest this year. 24 has always featured modern-day technobabble too, so if anyone is complaining about that showing up more in their episodes, it's not really the case. I don't see 24 as the kind of show where you can really feel a difference between different writers...the tone and style are relentlessly the same each week, and Coto & Braga have done a good job merging with the 24 staff. Their problem is that they did TOO good a job and helped contribute to the boring nonsense most of this season has produced.I love the two-faced nature of nearly all these responses --- most of you have spent the entire season bitching and whining about Braga and Coto's episodes... guess who wrote part 2?
WTF are you talking about?
I read the entire 24 comments/grading thread pretty much every single week and I can only recall a handful of instances of people complaining specifically about Braga or Coto. Most of the complaints about the shitty writing haven't focused on WHO wrote it, but rather how piss-poor it's been this year. You can't deny the latter.
Excellent, rate the movie R.
The only problem with this episode is the overall logic, but that's something that can be ignored while its playing.
In reality, if any President got tens of thousands of Americans killed to save a foreign head of state, she would be impeached (or assassinated) asap and replaced by some ranting, vengeance-fuled warmonger who would make George W. Bush look like Michael Moore. That scenario would be a gold-plated gift to the Palin/Beck ticket and Fox News.
And anyone who managed to get herself elected President would be politically savvy enough to know that. The Prez is being depicted as unrealistically idealistic and naive, but I guess the screenwriters like that particular little fantasy, and it's innocuous enough.
The only problem with this episode is the overall logic, but that's something that can be ignored while its playing.
In reality, if any President got tens of thousands of Americans killed to save a foreign head of state, she would be impeached (or assassinated) asap and replaced by some ranting, vengeance-fuled warmonger who would make George W. Bush look like Michael Moore. That scenario would be a gold-plated gift to the Palin/Beck ticket and Fox News.
And anyone who managed to get herself elected President would be politically savvy enough to know that. The Prez is being depicted as unrealistically idealistic and naive, but I guess the screenwriters like that particular little fantasy, and it's innocuous enough.
I gave it an Excellent, mostly because of the shocker of an ending, and how affected I was by it. I was really sad to see Hassan go, even as I kind of feared/thought things were heading that way. Like others, I assumed they were somewhere else--not that the tape was delayed. That packed a real emotional punch.
I love Katee Sackhoff, but her acting once Dana Walsh was revealed as a baddie really went downhill. She was mustache-twirling to the Nth degree, and I hope we've seen the last of her.
Really curious to see where it's going to go from here, and excited to see Logan back. I still love this show, even if it's been so-so this season, and I really want it to go out out on a high note.
Oh, and the movie should definitely be rated R.
I love Katee Sackhoff, but her acting once Dana Walsh was revealed as a baddie really went downhill. She was mustache-twirling to the Nth degree, and I hope we've seen the last of her.
Really curious to see where it's going to go from here, and excited to see Logan back. I still love this show, even if it's been so-so this season, and I really want it to go out out on a high note.
Oh, and the movie should definitely be rated R.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Yeah, exactly. The Braga/Coto episodes have been just as dull as all the rest this year. 24 has always featured modern-day technobabble too, so if anyone is complaining about that showing up more in their episodes, it's not really the case. I don't see 24 as the kind of show where you can really feel a difference between different writers...the tone and style are relentlessly the same each week, and Coto & Braga have done a good job merging with the 24 staff. Their problem is that they did TOO good a job and helped contribute to the boring nonsense most of this season has produced.I love the two-faced nature of nearly all these responses --- most of you have spent the entire season bitching and whining about Braga and Coto's episodes... guess who wrote part 2?
WTF are you talking about?
I read the entire 24 comments/grading thread pretty much every single week and I can only recall a handful of instances of people complaining specifically about Braga or Coto. Most of the complaints about the shitty writing haven't focused on WHO wrote it, but rather how piss-poor it's been this year. You can't deny the latter.
Not sure what planet you're on, but we started watching season one last weekend and you can definately see that the writing then was much tighter than it is now.
And as for the technobabble? It has definately ramped up in the past year or so compared to the first season.
The problem with the show is that its just running out of ideas and far to predictable. I don't blame this on Coto/Bragga. Their doing their jobs. But its clear that 24 has a playbook, and the other side (meaning us) have seen the same plays over and and over and over and its just getting to be too much.
As for Hassan? The whole scene was predictable. Im sitting there telling my friend that it was probably either A. Recorded (which it was) or B. Its the typical 24 "decoy"...
Rob
i wonder if the Dana-is-really-villain-not-just-naive was written in when they found out they were being cancelled.
Also, when/how is Aaron Pierce going to be brought in...or will he be part of the detail assigned to Pres. Logan? (Or something Aaron knew as being a part of Logan's detail previously, so he's a "consultant" like Jack is)
Also, when/how is Aaron Pierce going to be brought in...or will he be part of the detail assigned to Pres. Logan? (Or something Aaron knew as being a part of Logan's detail previously, so he's a "consultant" like Jack is)
On this whole Coto/Braga debate:
They wrote the best episode so far this season, so don't understand where the hate is coming from.
Also, you can't blame them for the poor quality overall of this season, because they aren't the showrunners. Howard Gordon is.
They wrote the best episode so far this season, so don't understand where the hate is coming from.
Also, you can't blame them for the poor quality overall of this season, because they aren't the showrunners. Howard Gordon is.
I don't understand the Braga/Coto hate either but your analogy's flawed. Using your argument, when a mediocre sports team barely gets to the playoffs one year, loses in the first round and subsequently goes back to mediocrity, we should then herald that team as being the best thing ever? That's not how it works.
In this case, the writers (not limited to Braga or Coto) have drawn the ire of fans for producing some really bad television. Just because they write one or two good episodes out of 14 doesn't mean they automatically get a pass and all is forgiven.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
They are also "executive producers" aren't they?
Gordon/Sutherland are ultimately the puppet masters on this show. And even they have cited 'creative writing fatigue'..what do you think that is supposed to mean? I take it to mean that either the writing is burnt out, or, they are running out of ideas...Braga/Coto can not be blamed. I am quite sure there is some kind of 'must dos' that all writers must adhere too..
MUST have a CTU insider
Chloe must be written like she's from another planet
Jack has to be conflicted
MUST have a CTU insider
The head of CTU (bubba) has be an idiot so that Jack can shine, and, the CTU insider can get away with, in this case, murder.
oh..did I mention
CTU insider (a conflicted woman) is a must
Rob
If anyone's interested, Annie Wersching (who plays Renee Walker) is scheduled to be on The Bonnie Hunt Show today.
(1) The show was cancelled after these episodes were filmed.
(2) Is Aaron Pierce appearing this season? I'd like to see him before the end, and honestly, at this point, whatever ridiculous way they could fit him in would work for me.
Brannon Braga can write a good script, even a good scene. To his credit he wrote some of the best TNG episodes. With the help of another wrtier, Cotto -a writer I liked on Enterprise, also wrote this episode.
Be willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of American citizens in the hope your people can find the terrorists in time and for the first real chance of ending the Middle East Cold War while simultaneously making real headway in the never-ending Terror War.
OR
Hand over an allied head of state to the terrorists in the hope they won't kill those tens of thousands anyway, almost certainly torpedo the peace process when they execute Hassan and plunge the world into further decades of war, undermining your relationship with every other allied nation, who all now question whether they'd get thrown under the bus like the IRK if the terrorist threat was big enough.
Neither of those options look like they're the right one to me, really, but the first one feels more right.
Logan faced the very same question on Day 6, chose the second option and very nearly triggered World War III for it. I don't recall anyone defending his actions back in the day. Course, he was a Republican. And Republicans are evil.
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