Commodore was also mentioned in Beyond.
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What about the Commodore 64? Because I adore my 64...
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I thought the forbidden topic was
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money.
ZX Spectrum or GTFO
Phaser or Disruptor?Don't forget canon.
Isn't that "Fleet Captain"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_(United_States)
Fleet Captain hasn't been a title in the US Navy since 1869.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_captain#Historical_background
No, because they can can be commanding air units, or other types besides ships. Its basically a way to utilize senior captains and their experience without having a surplus of admirals .
(blows whistle)Phaser or Disruptor?Don't forget canon.
Into the bad pun penalty box you go.
Thankfully. Let's not go back to that team for anything.
I'm also curious to see what the rank insignia for the Vulcan officer turns out to be.
At this point everything is speculation until we see the show but the most likely possibilities seem to be:
1) Flag Officer of the lowest grade
Starfleet has consistently used Commodore for this rank, when shown, rather than the somewhat clunky Rear Admiral, Lower Half used by the contemporary USN. Let's face it, the title of Commodore was obviously in use by both pre- and post-Federation Starfleet so it really shouldn't be relevant what the naval service of one individual Terran nation did several hundred years previously...!
Given the nature of the character's lines, this would seem to be consistent with a more senior officer. Flag Officers in TOS wore exactly the same command division uniforms as all other officers, the only difference was the sleeve rank and the chest insignia, so it's possible they've decided to follow this. The female admiral Picard meets in her office looks like she is wearing a longer grey coat over a Command burgundy undershirt but I don't think it's unreasonable for Starfleet to have more than one variant of it's uniforms. The black yoke on the grey coat has the same squared-off ends as those seen on the shoulder yokes of the other uniforms.
Using a trapezoid bar for the flag rank insignia would be a nice subtle update and kinda matches the trapezoid details of the rest of the uniform (e.g. the front "notch" at the center of the yoke and the squared-off ends of the sleeve caps).
2) Ensign
Yes, I know we've seen the initial early footage with the guy who greets (and doesn't recognise) Picard at SFHQ and, yes, he's wearing plain TNG-style pips. It's just possible the pips were not sufficiently visible against the Division-colored yoke of the uniform so they were updated to have a black background as production got underway.
I'm not sure why they put the pips on the yoke at all. To me, it would have made more sense either to keep them on the collar or, if they wanted to go for something like the AGT uniforms and TNG dress uniforms, then moving them down onto the black body just below the yoke would have looked better: the pips would have been more visible and the position would have better balanced the combadge on the other side of the notch in the yoke.
3) Temporary or Exchange Officer insignia
A few folks have suggested it may be something like the bars used for the Maquis characters in Voyager.
It's possible but I suspect this is a long-shot given that they have chosen to use a pip in the center.
As far as we know, Starfleet *isn't* going to be the major focus of this series, so I guess this is all background rather than front-and-center detail for most of the story.
Overall, I think the new basic Starfleet uniform is FAR too bland and they could have been just a little bit more imaginative but I suspect that also may have something to do with the fact that it won't be worn by the main characters.
At this point everything is speculation until we see the show but the most likely possibilities seem to be:
1) Flag Officer of the lowest grade
Starfleet has consistently used Commodore for this rank, when shown, rather than the somewhat clunky Rear Admiral, Lower Half used by the contemporary USN. Let's face it, the title of Commodore was obviously in use by both pre- and post-Federation Starfleet so it really shouldn't be relevant what the naval service of one individual Terran nation did several hundred years previously...!
Given the nature of the character's lines, this would seem to be consistent with a more senior officer. Flag Officers in TOS wore exactly the same command division uniforms as all other officers, the only difference was the sleeve rank and the chest insignia, so it's possible they've decided to follow this. The female admiral Picard meets in her office looks like she is wearing a longer grey coat over a Command burgundy undershirt but I don't think it's unreasonable for Starfleet to have more than one variant of it's uniforms. The black yoke on the grey coat has the same squared-off ends as those seen on the shoulder yokes of the other uniforms.
Using a trapezoid bar for the flag rank insignia would be a nice subtle update and kinda matches the trapezoid details of the rest of the uniform (e.g. the front "notch" at the center of the yoke and the squared-off ends of the sleeve caps).
2) Ensign
Yes, I know we've seen the initial early footage with the guy who greets (and doesn't recognise) Picard at SFHQ and, yes, he's wearing plain TNG-style pips. It's just possible the pips were not sufficiently visible against the Division-colored yoke of the uniform so they were updated to have a black background as production got underway.
I'm not sure why they put the pips on the yoke at all. To me, it would have made more sense either to keep them on the collar or, if they wanted to go for something like the AGT uniforms and TNG dress uniforms, then moving them down onto the black body just below the yoke would have looked better: the pips would have been more visible and the position would have better balanced the combadge on the other side of the notch in the yoke.
3) Temporary or Exchange Officer insignia
A few folks have suggested it may be something like the bars used for the Maquis characters in Voyager.
It's possible but I suspect this is a long-shot given that they have chosen to use a pip in the center.
As far as we know, Starfleet *isn't* going to be the major focus of this series, so I guess this is all background rather than front-and-center detail for most of the story.
Overall, I think the new basic Starfleet uniform is FAR too bland and they could have been just a little bit more imaginative but I suspect that also may have something to do with the fact that it won't be worn by the main characters.
I believe Rear Admiral, Lower Half was what Kirk was supposed to be in TMP. The last we hear of Commodore in the Trek timeline is in the Epsilon IX chatter early in TMP, IIRC. The last we see of a Commodore in the timeline is Matt Decker in "The Doomsday Machine" (roughly 2268).
So if the Vulcan/Romulan is an Admiral, it is likely of the Lower Half variety.
Kirk in TMP would be a one-pip Admiral in the TNG Era rank system. He never rose above that so far as we know. He may have been the equivalent of a two-pip Admiral by TWOK, TSFS and TVH but we only have one shoulder strap insignia that outranks an Admiral's and that was worn by the Starfleet Chief of Staff or Commander-in-Chief like Morrow, Cartwright or the Admiral presiding over the Gorkon meeting at the beginning of TUC.
Depends on how people treated that rank. One of the reasons why commodore was eliminated (and has seen a come back in the modern USN) is because it was not regarded as a flag rank by other countries. Given the multiple interstellar powers the Federation is involved with having all flag officers be called Admiral to one degree or another may be helpful with working with other races.
And lest we forget, the militaries and space exploration services of some other Federation worlds also have Earth-sounding ranks for officers. Commander. Subcommander. Captain.
Yeah, but that's just the Universal Translator coming up with the closest English match.
That's basically the explanation for a lot of the similarities and Terracentric traditions in Trek, though. The Universal Translator and Earth having the central role in the founding of the Federation.
It might not make sense to us but it is what it is, just as most aliens in Trek breathe oxygen and speak English.
It might not make sense to us but it is what it is, just as most aliens in Trek breathe oxygen and speak English.
A Commodore is also listed on a computer screen in TNG Season 1.
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