2239 Discovery Shuttles used in 3188?!?!?! - Trekyards Analysis

[fireproof78]

That's fine, but Trek has never done "better than that." To quote MASH, "This is the Army! No one is doing the best they can!"

Maybe someday we will get that position posted to just review MA and such to support this expansive universe. If I were writing my own universe then I would do that. But, Star Trek is too little too late, for my money. Of course, that might be me being sore about the Technical Manual being thrown out by GR.

 

[BillJ]

And then people also would rationalize away those inconsistencies rather than treating the production team as the enemy.

Production team has always been the enemy for some, this isn't remotely a new phenomenon. Berman and Braga weren't exactly the belle's of the ball back in the early-2000's when I joined here.

I prefer doing better than that, we have the internet, Memory Alpha, countless technical manuels, etc.

While money may be more plentiful, time is always going to be a limited resource for production teams. I'm actually critical of Picard for reusing production assets in "The Children of Mars" because they were more front and center, can't miss them. But for a few seconds in the background? I think we should cut them some slack.

 

[fireproof78]

Production team has always been the enemy for some, this isn't remotely a new phenomenon. Berman and Braga weren't exactly the belle's of the ball back in the early-2000's when I joined here.

No where did I think this was a new phenomenon.

But, I would like to think that we can become better too, more positive, more encouraging, etc. No? Just me? Alright.

 

[BillJ]

But, I would like to think that we can become better too, more positive, more encouraging, etc. No? Just me? Alright.

Thing is, this nitpick is a relatively minor one and didn't seem to have any ill will behind it. Not all things are created equal and subjects shouldn't be verboten because some people don't like it.

 

[Kzinti]

the nitpickers in chief are at it again anyway cg model are expensive and i rather they put the budget into something that actually matters

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

That's fine, but Trek has never done "better than that." To quote MASH, "This is the Army! No one is doing the best they can!"

But Trek is a show about StarFleet, we aim to do better, strive to be better, aim to do more, not because it's easy, but because that's the norm and what is expected of us. To be better than we can be. To improve.

I like getting all the tiny details right, that's part of the Star Trek Universe I enjoy.

Maybe someday we will get that position posted to just review MA and such to support this expansive universe. If I were writing my own universe then I would do that. But, Star Trek is too little too late, for my money. Of course, that might be me being sore about the Technical Manual being thrown out by GR.

I might be that guy who one day brings back more of the Technical Manual and helps legitimize many of the contents within it.

 

[NCC-73515]

Easy now. I love Star Trek ships. I have purchased every Ships of the Line calendar since 2003 and I have kept them all. But I honestly don't give a shit if they reuse designs. It really does not matter. At all.

I have many Eaglemoss/Playmates/Revell/MM models and DST/Playmates props and a uniform. Had posters of ships from Fact Files on my wall. My desktop wallpapers are ships from SotL or LightWorks, etc. The tech manuals are my favorite Trek books. Love walking on the hull of the D in a certain software. Love flying around the ships in Bridge Commander and Legacy. Love exploring the Kelvinprise in the 2013 game. And it matters if they put a 2250s ship or shuttle in 3188, since they do have other shuttles to put there and it's not a matter of running out of resources or time.
And now? It's kinda pointless. All opinions that make people happy are valid, even though some make more sense than others, but it's a matter of taste and focus. Why can't we simply accept that a fandom as vast as ours doesn't have to agree on everything? Just because one group of fans thinks or feels a certain way does not mean everyone else can't or shouldn't.

 

[fireproof78]

Thing is, this nitpick is a relatively minor one and didn't seem to have any ill will behind it. Not all things are created equal and subjects shouldn't be verboten because some people don't like it.

Nor should my disagreement be verboten.

I might be that guy who one day brings back more of the Technical Manual and helps legitimize many of the contents within it.

Call me when that happens. That would be impressive.

Why can't we simply accept that a fandom as vast as ours doesn't have to agree on everything? Just because one group of fans thinks or feels a certain way does not mean everyone else can't or shouldn't.

I can accept it-I'll still discuss it.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I can accept it-I'll still discuss it.

That's the beauty of trek
IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations).

All of us are very different in how we approach Trek, yet we can co-exist and work together to improve Trek.

Our Diverse Thoughts, ways of doing things, combined together makes Trek better than the individual parts by itself.

 

[DarthTimon]

Then hire a continuity staff writer who takes care of the background things like Gadgets, Ships, Tech, etc.

If you have a Science Advisor for TNG and TOS, why can't you have a continuity Advisor.

Star Wars has a official Lore Keeper.

And there are generations of Star Trek / Star Wars fans who cares about all the technical details of every bit of machinery, widget, ship, blaster, etc.

And even with a Lore Keeper there are inconsistencies in Star Wars. Nothing is perfect. It never will be. There comes a point where the expectations go from reasonable to unreasonable.

 

[fireproof78]

Our Diverse Thoughts, ways of doing things, combined together makes Trek better than the individual parts by itself.

I don't know about better. More interesting though, perhaps.

And even with a Lore Keeper there are inconsistencies in Star Wars. Nothing is perfect. It never will be. There comes a point where the expectations go from reasonable to unreasonable.

I think being a fan already brings the "unreasonable" with the expectations. Perhaps the nature of the beast.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

And even with a Lore Keeper there are inconsistencies in Star Wars. Nothing is perfect. It never will be. There comes a point where the expectations go from reasonable to unreasonable.

The point isn't expecting perfection, the point is to work on fixing things and making things better.
The strive to perfection and real attempts to correct things is what matters.

I don't expect things to be perfect, but I expect effort to be taken to correct things, to make things better.

To improve on the the fan's complaints.

I don't know about better. More interesting though, perhaps.

You don't think that if we combine our collective minds to improve Star Trek, we couldn't do it as a unit?

 

[fireproof78]

You don't think that if we combine our collective minds to improve Star Trek, we couldn't do it as a unit?

No, I don't.

 

[BillJ]

The point isn't expecting perfection, the point is to work on fixing things and making things better.

I can nitpick with the best of them, but the episode wouldn't have been any better or worse with a new asset swapped in for the Discovery shuttle. Time and assets are finite, any production has to deal with the questions of what they can realistically accomplish in the amount of time they have.

 

[DarthTimon]

The point isn't expecting perfection, the point is to work on fixing things and making things better.
The strive to perfection and real attempts to correct things is what matters.

I don't expect things to be perfect, but I expect effort to be taken to correct things, to make things better.

To improve on the the fan's complaints.

Ok, fair enough - but there's still reasonable expectations and unreasonable ones.

To me personally, the 'blink and you'll miss it' appearance of a shuttle in the background doesn't make or break my suspension of belief - Trek has historically recycled props and sets and even CGI throughout its history, and it doesn't draw me out of the story if the story is strong. I am of course but one fan with one opinion.

 

[NCC-73515]

The episode wouldn't be different without the whole shuttle. So they put in the time and work to put it there - which would be the same time and work to put a newer shuttle there instead, since they have those. Or leave it out completely and save even more time and effort

 

[DarthTimon]

The episode wouldn't be different without the whole shuttle. So they put in the time and work to put it there - which would be the same time and work to put a newer shuttle there instead, since they have those. Or leave it out completely and save even more time and effort

So... it makes no difference at all?

 

[NCC-73515]

So... it makes no difference at all?

it not being there would mean no inconsistency. it being a newer thing would mean no inconsistency. it being 930 years old is the inconsistency. but why would it affect the story? that's precisely why those people don't care at all.

 

[DarthTimon]

why would it affect the story? that's precisely why those people don't care at all

Well exactly - the appearance of the shuttle has no impact upon anything, so for me it has no bearing on my enjoyment of the story. I didn't even notice it. That's why to me this is an overblown nitpick.

 

[NCC-73515]

so you're more story-focused and don't care about design details, ships, timelines, etc.
other people do (see above).